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RE: The Freelancer is E for everyone, that doesn't mean that DiscoveryGC should. - Jihadjoe - 08-10-2013
(08-10-2013, 01:31 PM)Anaximander Wrote: That's exactly it. You can use those words in a setting where you precisely know how they'll get weighed. For instance, my best mate is gay and I can call him lots of things (and he certainly calls other gays lots of names too), but that's just fine because we both know there's no harm intended. Was their the slightest shred of doubt whether or not I should really be using those words, I'd refrain from it and my life would be just as full and rich.
However if you were playing a homophobic character on a stage or on camera, in a film or play which deals with the dangers of bigotry, cutting the offensive words from that would be unrealistic, and would mean the fiction as a whole would lose some of the impact it is designed and writen to have.
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Somewhat off topic, but interesting none the less...
I live in the UK where we have our own problems with some massively unpleasent political groups such as the EDL and BNP, so I am aware of the issues that the ultra-right can cause. I wasn't aware that Denmark had such a strong neo-nazi presence, and I am sorry that you have to put up with that. I agree that freedom of speech is a rather tricky subject to approach.
Often, freedom of speech is used to protect those who would walk around throwing discriminatory and bigoted hate speech at people... That's definitely not a good thing. However sweeping the whole subject under the carpet and not allowing anyone to even make mention of the problem, is not a good way to handle that issue.
This took me an absolute age to type, because my cat decided to "help" by sitting on the keyboard.
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(08-10-2013, 01:31 PM)Anaximander Wrote: Take it like a grown ass man.
Grown-ass man, or grown ass-man?
Edit 2: There is a fair point being raised earlier in this thread, which is that freelancer has a highly xenophobic ultra right wing group (the xenos), a group which bears significant similarity to the problems Northern Ireland faced (the Mollies), culturally accepted sexism (most of Kusari), copious amounts of murder, drug cartels, slavery, and so on... In this absolutely harrendous dystopia which already deals with some mighty diifficult issues, albeit in a slightly ham-fisted manner, the word bitch is an interesting thing to get all concerned by.
RE: The Freelancer is E for everyone, that doesn't mean that DiscoveryGC should. - Anaximander - 08-10-2013
(08-10-2013, 01:51 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: However if you were playing a homophobic character on a stage or on camera, in a film or play which deals with the dangers of bigotry, cutting the offensive words from that would be unrealistic, and would mean the fiction as a whole would lose some of the impact it is designed and writen to have.
There's a vast difference between cinema/books/plays and roleplaying in a community such as this, the major one being that you willingly subject yourself to exactly that offensive act when you read a book/go to the cinema or go watch a play. You've usually read the notice in the papers or the text on the back of the sleeve saying what it's all about.
In this case it's about subjecting unwilling people to things that could be offensive. (edit: damn you syntax, where to put in the "unwilling" for the sentence to make proper sense).
There's nothing to discuss really, just don't do it!
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Off-topic continuation
(08-10-2013, 01:51 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: However sweeping the whole subject under the carpet and not allowing anyone to even make mention of the proble, is not a good way to handle that issue.
It's just a delicate balance. Like I lived in Singapore for a while, a highly modern and developed (and extremely lovely) slice of the world; yet they have some huge challenges with major different ethnic, cultural and religious groups totally not seeing eye-to-eye on lots of things; so they do indeed sweep things under the rug and have very controlled state-owned and -backed media and strong censorship. I've discussed this with Singaporean youths around the latest election for parliament who were outraged with the state of things (they were gays and that's against the law in SG), demanding openness and change - however it's not hard to see how the kit that keep the nation together would crumble if people are allowed to go into very sensitive discussions like these where large groups within the same society are pitted against each other on different scales (general opinions, religious beliefs, cultural practices and norms, language and so on).
Sometimes the "totalitarian" approach is the lesser of two evils, yes it quenches the individual but can serve the good of the greater group.
EDIT: Pick whichever ass you prefer
EDIT TO YOUR EDIT: Not really. To me, the Mollies, Xenos (who never crossed over to flat-out racism, mind you) and the Kusari (the gaijin roleplay I don't like, but that's been added by Disco players) are a static part of the Freelancer fictional universe, I've got full disclosure regarding what they are about so there can be no doubt - and they're done in a sufficiently "cartoon-y" way as well. When a player swears at me or calls me names; I do not have that knowledge, it is not a part of the background of the fictional universe, it's something some players choose to add, where other players don't and some even take offence. So when someone says they are offended, you should just take notice, refrain from doing it and move on - it's not a part of the Freelancer universe, unlike the Rheinwehr, the Xenos and the Mollies, it's not required and is in many cases unwanted.
RE: The Freelancer is E for everyone, that doesn't mean that DiscoveryGC should. - Oorn - 08-10-2013
Those were some big walls of text, too bad I don't have enough patience to read 'em all.
It's very funny how inability to use few f words provokes so much flame/hate/whatever. I don't see problem with such words here and there, but realisticly what would hapen is people whose every second word should be beeped. C'mon, its just few words, why are whining so much about them? Or is droping f-bomb really so important to you?
And about "my character did it, not me". When we are talking about PvP you say "it's just game, we are just having fun here", but when we talk about language you go "rprprp, I'm playing a character, rprprp". Sound a little bit hypocritical to me. No matter whether you mean it or no, it's still person on the on other side who hears your maturity proof, and not his character. But whatever, keeping "authentic harsh space atmosphere" is more important than friendly one, right?
And Anaximander, what other RP comunities you meant, I have real problem finding them. not that disco can be considered proper rp comunity
RE: The Freelancer is E for everyone, that doesn't mean that DiscoveryGC should. - Luka - 08-10-2013
Um.... Freelancer is rated T.
Funny, someone said they wanted to make this game "family friendly" before.
RE: The Freelancer is E for everyone, that doesn't mean that DiscoveryGC should. - Luke. - 08-10-2013
This discussion again...
I got shot down when bringing up this point before so I won't go into it. Swearing, though we all don't see why swear words are actually "bad" words, it's good English practice not to use them. I agree that <Female Dog> is a bit....ehh. But the character was only warned.
I've RP'd with Catherine before on my indie Liberty lawful, she gave me the same attitude.
RE: The Freelancer is E for everyone, that doesn't mean that DiscoveryGC should. - Eduard - 08-10-2013
What if I tell you, you can be vulgar, rude, have your mouth drenched in curses and swears as they exude forth by the second while not actually using insults, and popular insulting words at all?
It is all Roleplay, just apply some imagination and voila.
Though I have to admit, I have nothing against making this "coarse language" thingie a bit more open as long as it is inRP and it is either insulting no body, or the only person it is directed to is the inRP character next to it not the ooRP person playing it
RE: The Freelancer is E for everyone, that doesn't mean that DiscoveryGC should. - Luke. - 08-10-2013
(08-10-2013, 03:30 PM)Ed- Wrote: or the only person it is directed to is the inRP character next to it not the ooRP person playing it
That's the problem. It's hard to distinguish. Plus, someone can easily fake a personal offence and sanction them for it. It's just not worth the risk I suppose.
RE: The Freelancer is E for everyone, that doesn't mean that DiscoveryGC should. - sindroms - 08-10-2013
The question here is that if we did allow for profanity to be used ingame, how many people here would gladly turn the ingame world into /b/ ?
RE: The Freelancer is E for everyone, that doesn't mean that DiscoveryGC should. - Eduard - 08-10-2013
(08-10-2013, 03:33 PM)MiniStryke Wrote:(08-10-2013, 03:30 PM)Ed- Wrote: or the only person it is directed to is the inRP character next to it not the ooRP person playing it
That's the problem. It's hard to distinguish. Plus, someone can easily fake a personal offence and sanction them for it. It's just not worth the risk I suppose.
I understand, but if you would permit me, I have a question: Can't it be distinguished based on the context and the entirety of that RP encounter? Especially considering that in order for it to be directed at the ooRP player, it needs to be an ooRP message containing the "//"
If it does not, then it is inRP and directed to the character. The faker would have to initially sanction him for sending ooRP messages and secondly for insulting.
But at this moment, the one who casted the insults can easily demonstrate that his messages were actually inRP by providing the entire encounter, demonstrating that there is something that lead the character casting these curses.
Or if he uses them simply on a regular basis, then provide different encounters to show that they weren't merely casted on him, but were just a general character flavour.
But oh well, those are just my thoughts on these kind of scenarios
RE: The Freelancer is E for everyone, that doesn't mean that DiscoveryGC should. - Zelot - 08-10-2013
I have never in all my time here been unable to express inrp the xenophobic, racist, sexist, insulting nature of some of my characters. I have never needed curses to do it.