(03-04-2014, 10:12 PM)AceofSpades Wrote: Ah quite the conversation piling up, so ill keep it simple with two questions and zero flames

Junker Marauders Wrote:
As I said above, I asked admins and this kind of stuff is acceptable. We would like to go for our own ID though, so that we could avoid getting suspicious eyes on us all the time though.
Like I said before, why do you interfere with Congress business & collaborate with others to cause problems for their goals? like that post the VR made to the Commonwealth, you grassed us up to them VR!

I do agree that a separate ID would be quite fitting for the Marauders, as your activity seems to create a grey area between other Junkers--specifically Congress. Regardless of whether JM RP is good or bad, effectively practiced or not, its been quite clear that Marauder activity has had negative consequences for JC, due to both direct and indirect action.
Specifically, as the only non-JM Junker present for the "Commonwealth" episode; where the presence of both VR and JM ships forced a Congressman to dock, which then followed with aggressive questioning the remaining Zoner captain, it is quite clear that -at least some- Marauder Pilots (and the VR ally who made the following post) already consider their diplomacy with Congressmen to be as was said earlier "us dealing with traitors".

(03-04-2014, 10:12 PM)AceofSpades Wrote: Question 1: Currently your diplomatic standing with Junkers as a whole, including Congress, is listed as "friendly", but perhaps this should be more accurately revisited if these are the intentions of (at least some) Marauder Pilots?

(03-04-2014, 10:12 PM)AceofSpades Wrote: (Today 12:50 PM)Junker Marauders Wrote:
As I have said, we only turn on other Junkers if they turn on us first. Thank you for submitting your feedback.
(Today 12:50 PM)Junker Marauders Wrote:
I don't see how us dealing with traitors would show that we're irresponsible.
Again, see above!

I will note here that the specific incident being addressed, the twenty-five million credit demand made upon the Junker trader, was completely acceptable within RP. Of course if a trader cries out in system, you would punish him.
--However--
This Junker clearly only would have shouted out in system after being stopped for an initial demand, otherwise he would have no qualm with a fellow Junker. Therefore, the Marauder must have stopped the Junker trader and made a demand before any "snitching" or other anti-Marauder activity occurred
--meaning that Junkers are indeed being treated as any other target would be, and not sought out only for "specific indiscretions".

(03-04-2014, 10:12 PM)AceofSpades Wrote: Question 2: Does the Marauder RP allow their Pilots to consider an anonymous (no prior RP history) Junker ID'ed trader/smuggler in the same way they would treat an anonymous, neutral (Freelancer or such) ID'ed trader/smuggler?
-If yes, then i think its only fair to be clear that Junker trader/smugglers are not exempt from random piracy by a JM and that we should treat Marauders as at least a possible pirate/hostile, regardless of whether we have any previous RP with one.
-If no, then this was an isolated singular episode that violated the canon JM RP, and should be recognized as such. (Specifically, the Junker Bull_Island should no longer be targeted/bountied/harassed by JM Pilots)

(03-04-2014, 10:12 PM)AceofSpades Wrote: Lastly, Kudos. it's good to see that an (arguably quick) push for your own ID and Official Status is being cooperated by a strong forum presence and very involved feedback effort

(03-05-2014, 12:01 AM).Gypsy. Wrote: Good luck on your request for officialdom. I don't mind either way.

The only issue Ive ever had with you is that your Rats.

(03-05-2014, 12:16 AM)NOVA-5 Wrote: Well truth be know, I've had nothing but respect for you lads, i've argued the toss for you's & put myself in the line of fire on more than one occasion in game, even to the point of losing one of my allies for the sake of standing up for you Junkers no matter what you do, we stick up for one another & try our best to sort troubles out.
That gripe about the VR, you put them in front of us, didn't like that one bit, to me it went against what a Junker is,
if that had been the other way around; I'd have not half told the VR where to stick it & said keep your nose out of Junker business that doesn't concern them & notified you of their intent to cause such trouble, but meh, that's just me,
if you want to go down that path; that's up to you, just watch your backs captains, you try that again & i'll cut you up into little jobs...
*Salute*

(03-05-2014, 12:23 AM)Junker Marauders Wrote:

(03-05-2014, 12:01 AM).Gypsy. Wrote: Good luck on your request for officialdom. I don't mind either way.

The only issue Ive ever had with you is that your Rats.

We rat on Freelance smugglers because we want to help all Junkers gain more control over the smuggling market for themselves.

Quote:It has come to my attention that, due to recent hostilities between the Libertonian Goverment and the Congress, you have transmitted a PSA announcement regarding this matter.
When I received this transmission, I began to wonder about relations with other Junkers beyond the Congress.
Therefore, I wish to say that we, the Junker Marauders, will not follow in the pursuit of the Congress and will try as hard as we can to abide by the law in Libertonian space.

Furthermore, if there is anything we could do to help uphold our resolution, we have a variety of 'services' that we could offer to both the Government and the Liberty Navy.

Quote:We rat on Freelance smugglers because we want to help all Junkers gain more control over the smuggling market for themselves.

(03-05-2014, 12:40 AM).Gypsy. Wrote:

(03-05-2014, 12:23 AM)Junker Marauders Wrote:

(03-05-2014, 12:01 AM).Gypsy. Wrote: Good luck on your request for officialdom. I don't mind either way.

The only issue Ive ever had with you is that your Rats.

We rat on Freelance smugglers because we want to help all Junkers gain more control over the smuggling market for themselves.

Really? Thats the card your choosing to play? In that link you refer to the "PSA announcement" about the Congress, you wrote:

Quote:It has come to my attention that, due to recent hostilities between the Libertonian Goverment and the Congress, you have transmitted a PSA announcement regarding this matter.
When I received this transmission, I began to wonder about relations with other Junkers beyond the Congress.
Therefore, I wish to say that we, the Junker Marauders, will not follow in the pursuit of the Congress and will try as hard as we can to abide by the law in Libertonian space.

Furthermore, if there is anything we could do to help uphold our resolution, we have a variety of 'services' that we could offer to both the Government and the Liberty Navy.

In which you state "When I received this transmission, I began to wonder about relations with other Junkers beyond the Congress."

Then you follow it up with: "Furthermore, if there is anything we could do to help uphold our resolution, we have a variety of 'services' that we could offer to both the Government and the Liberty Navy."

Are you really suggesting that this wasn't an offer to "Rat out" the Junker Congress in exchange for favor from the LN?

Then in the second post you practically admitted rating on Congress saying: "However, I do recall one of my people meeting with one of your people and discussing an information exchange regarding artifact smugglers. Though, maybe that never found it's way."

Even Admiral Baker knew you were offering to rat out the congress and said as much in her response to you.

Sorry that was all I was going to say above, but:

Quote:We rat on Freelance smugglers because we want to help all Junkers gain more control over the smuggling market for themselves.

Nobody is gonna buy that response.. but I will admit that its possible that it may not have been what it really seemed to be.

But this issue aside, I honestly do with you luck (not joking)