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RE: The "Seriousness" level of RP these days - Tunicle - 03-17-2014
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RE: The "Seriousness" level of RP these days - Omi - 03-17-2014
It depends which character I'm on and my general mood at the time.
In any case, the end goal of me spending time here is for my enjoyment - period. Sometimes I like having fun by chatting peacefully for an hour or so in Tau-23 with a BDM 'rock enthusiast', and sometimes I like having fun by forward-gunning a Scylla at point-blank range in my LSC, or SNACcing things in the beautiful piece of engineering that is the Orchid.
Basically, to answer the question outlined in the first post from a personal point of view: it varies anywhere from totally focused on the RP aspect of an encounter, to merely coating my PvP intentions with the required veneer of RP to let me start taking things apart within the boundaries of the rules.
RE: The "Seriousness" level of RP these days - HuggieSunrise - 03-17-2014
This is a community where you have to get to know people after all. Thats not inherent to any "problem" about friends not letting new people in. Infact folks who complain about the fact these groups already are friends and that somehow intimidates them from joining factions in the first place perplexes me.
The role play is for the most part vary much unmoderated and that might turn off a seasoned rper who expects structure of the tyrannical DM kind. The Admins can be seen as dms but the idea here is have fun play nice and dont bounce into admin territory in the first place IE the breaking of rules.
So after getting a feel for the territory. and you can squeeze past the forest of unknowns for the trees that get in your way and not get too.. bitter about the way things -are- im sure anyone can find the right people and the right concepts that can satisfy them here.
Anywho. In most cases your going to encounter some poor new guy or russ in the server with terrible english and.. completely unpredictable behaviour and that by itself should not discourage a "serious" anything. That element exists in a lot of games and a lot of communities.
RE: The "Seriousness" level of RP these days - ryoken - 03-17-2014
It is not the quality of RP, the lack or RP, but infact it is certain people making the RP for the server, and telling others "THIS IS THE RP, FOLLOW IT OR LEAVE" crap that causes people to leave.
To much attitude towards others that want to play "FREELANCER" and not whatever a lot of the tools here are playing.
Why I left. Got sick of hearing "junkers are different now, you need to change to" or "Liberty navy no longer fights that group" and seriously I can go on and on about a dozen other groups that the "player base" have decided to complete change, and expects everyone else to follow that crap. "BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!"
RE: The "Seriousness" level of RP these days - Chico - 03-17-2014
For me, the structure which governed RP started to get slowly dismantled and as it did so, players complained about the diminishing level and quality of RP. There was a movement for more 'freedom', this being 'Freelancer'.
The problem was that this actually had the reverse effect and speeded up the decline of RP.
Now, people sit in the shadows (Read: Skype/TS) and wait for an opportunity to attack someone elses RP/character, hoping this gives credibility to their lack of RP. When a strong faction with solid RP appears, others do their best to oppose it because it justifies their existence. The problem with this attitude is that once they have been successful in destroying said faction, they too no longer have a reason for existence and die off or move elsewhere, killing all local activity.
This cycle continues with the good RPers setting up a faction which starts to thrive. The vultures arrive, kill them off and that area of Sirius stagnates.
The more often this happens, the less decent RPers stay/arrive/can be bothered. The less this happens, the less the vultures have to do. Activity dies in relation to areas or factions.
RP needs to be given room and structure to flourish. Too many people going 'Meh' and RP is difficult.
As of now, too much 'that'll do' and not enough quality RP on an RP server make it very difficult to take seriously.
Please note that this is my personal opinion and not that of any faction I belong/belonged to.
RE: The "Seriousness" level of RP these days - Sol - 03-17-2014
Can you give us a real example of this vultures thing?
RE: The "Seriousness" level of RP these days - Daron - 03-18-2014
(03-17-2014, 11:24 PM)Chico Wrote: Now, people sit in the shadows (Read: Skype/TS) and wait for an opportunity to attack someone elses RP/character, hoping this gives credibility to their lack of RP. When a strong faction with solid RP appears, others do their best to oppose it because it justifies their existence. The problem with this attitude is that once they have been successful in destroying said faction, they too no longer have a reason for existence and die off or move elsewhere, killing all local activity.
This cycle continues with the good RPers setting up a faction which starts to thrive. The vultures arrive, kill them off and that area of Sirius stagnates.
The more often this happens, the less decent RPers stay/arrive/can be bothered. The less this happens, the less the vultures have to do. Activity dies in relation to areas or factions.
Well spoken mate.
RE: The "Seriousness" level of RP these days - Chico - 03-18-2014
A good indicator used to be to look at the ID's but I'm not so sure that works now. The playerbase has changed so much now and they are accepted at face value.
Can you not think of any group that were set up to fight specific groups, npc factions or houses?
Any places where lots of combat took place that don't now?
Who fought there and for what?
What was the RP behind the different encounters there?
Was it solid RP or just an excuse?
You'd know what kind of encounter it was the moment you came upon it.
One type is generally interesting and fun, the other gets boring and linear in a very short time.
RE: The "Seriousness" level of RP these days - Daron - 03-18-2014
Well I'm not sure what you mean Chico.
The most thing which concerns me is that RP and RP thing get mixed up a lot in both directions.
Everyone laughs at the so called lolwuts.
But what about all the players who are posting RP stuff outside the RP sections?
RE: The "Seriousness" level of RP these days - |nfrared - 03-18-2014
As someone who has been around less than 12 months this is my take on it -
(03-17-2014, 10:04 PM)ryoken Wrote: It is not the quality of RP, the lack or RP, but infact it is certain people making the RP for the server, and telling others "THIS IS THE RP, FOLLOW IT OR LEAVE" crap that causes people to leave.
To much attitude towards others that want to play "FREELANCER" and not whatever a lot of the tools here are playing.
Why I left. Got sick of hearing "junkers are different now, you need to change to" or "Liberty navy no longer fights that group" and seriously I can go on and on about a dozen other groups that the "player base" have decided to complete change, and expects everyone else to follow that crap. "BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!"
(03-18-2014, 12:04 AM)Daron Wrote:(03-17-2014, 11:24 PM)Chico Wrote: Now, people sit in the shadows (Read: Skype/TS) and wait for an opportunity to attack someone elses RP/character, hoping this gives credibility to their lack of RP. When a strong faction with solid RP appears, others do their best to oppose it because it justifies their existence. The problem with this attitude is that once they have been successful in destroying said faction, they too no longer have a reason for existence and die off or move elsewhere, killing all local activity.
This cycle continues with the good RPers setting up a faction which starts to thrive. The vultures arrive, kill them off and that area of Sirius stagnates.
The more often this happens, the less decent RPers stay/arrive/can be bothered. The less this happens, the less the vultures have to do. Activity dies in relation to areas or factions.
Well spoken mate.
It's actually worse than this. You also have players that have been here 5+ years that have wonderful SRP's for ships that are basically unobtainable nowadays because of the "RP elitism effect", whereby the bar moves ever upward so that newer players can never reach it. This effect, whereby veterans pick, pick, and pick holes in newer player RP to ensure none achieve the same quality RP and therefore those ships become unreachable because on some level they feel threatened by the possibilty of someone reaching "their level" of RP, to the point where the newcomer either -
a) gives up/ragequit, or
b) stop producing new RP because they are sick of being picked on and becomes a silent trader, or worse, a lolwut (yes this is where they come from guys!), or
c) They keep going in an attempt to prove you wrong until their fire is well and truly stomped out. (very rare cases/Me)
This elitism is blindingly obvious to a newcomer. Most vets can't see it and probably don't even know that this is a problem, because they are immersed in it. Face it, if you heard about someone new who's goal was to SRP a Persephone, it would be laughed out of here, no matter what they tried. But there are at least 2 on the server, unreachable to newer players.
It's elitism gone mad. Just because players are newer than you, doesn't mean they can't have better ideas than you.