(06-27-2014, 12:11 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote:

(06-27-2014, 11:24 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: But isn't it silly that a faction that is completely foreign to the Omicron enviroment is suddenly able to mine far more efficiencly than factions that have been in the Omicrons for a considerably longer period of time, who surely would be better suited to mining Iridium?

Texan oil companies are better at extracting crude oil from Iraqs oil fields than Iraq's companies. Yesterday I saw a documentary on Copper mining in Chile and Peru. European companies, using european high tech equipment and our university skilled people are behind it.

(06-27-2014, 12:11 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: The better knowledge, equipment, skill is what makes the difference. Being native there does not make you good at using things that you have no clue about. A native with a pickaxe and knowledge on his surroundings is useful as a guide. What you need to exploit it is completely different. And I doubt Zoners have equipment and knowledge to prospect mining fields, select the best places, use the correct mining equipment, the cheapest drills, etc... etc...

(06-27-2014, 12:11 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Imo there are tons of reasons why mining factions should always have an edge or at least never be worse than any of the non-mining factions in the field of mining. It's their roleplay. That's what they are good at and that's why they are played.

(06-27-2014, 12:12 PM)larzac Wrote: What i mean is that natives dont always know/need something about where they live. IMG mine almost everything in sirius, do you really think that they havent tech to mine iridium, even if they dont live there? same for Kruger.

(06-27-2014, 12:12 PM)larzac Wrote: IMG mine almost everything in sirius

(06-27-2014, 12:12 PM)larzac Wrote: When you are able to mine diamonds, i wouldnt worry for some metal

• Zoners: x3 (the main natives that utilize their local resource. Gameplaywise the are restricted to < 3k in House space, where the best drop offs have to be bc of the necessity of centralising traffic)
  
• AI: x3 (if they are not developed into a full pew faction, which likely will not happen. With their little shipline and no real strength, I think this x3 could add something to make the faction more interesting)
  
• Order: x2,5 (like Mollys on Gold, mainly to keep them interested in the hub activity)
  
• BHG Core: x2,5 (like Mollys on Gold, mainly to keep them interested in the hub activity)
  
• OC: no, they have pirating, smuggling and Cardi as their perks
  
• Corsairs: no, they have pirating, smuggling and Artifacts as their perks
  
• Nomads: no, no interest in resources
  
• All specialised miner factions: x3 (they simply have the best equipment, skill, techology, knowledge, ships. They are the experts)
  
• All gas miners: no, they are not into solid rock mining.
  

Quote:Short range route:

Iridium to:

• Evora Shipyard, Omicron-100 (low profitability)
  
• Tripoli Shipyard, Omicron Gamma (low profitability)
  
• Livadia Shipyard, Omicron-74 (low profitability)
  
• Valetta Shipyard, Omicron Alpha (medium profitability)
  
• Alabama Shipyard, Omicron Rho (lowest profitability)
  
• the rest of the shipyards across Sirius should receive iridium with different prices, Gallia and Bretonia paying the highest prices for it

And yes, the commodity shouldn't be sold on FP 11.

• All selling points need to be in civilized space.
  
• House main systems only, because they have bottlenecks surrounding them.
  
• Gamma and Alpha are also acceptable, as the same bottlenecks surround them, however lower price because the Omicron routes are much easier to fly. You will never meet anybody (beware the NPCs in Eta, though).

(06-27-2014, 12:21 PM)Lythrilux Wrote:

(06-27-2014, 12:11 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote:

(06-27-2014, 11:24 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: But isn't it silly that a faction that is completely foreign to the Omicron enviroment is suddenly able to mine far more efficiencly than factions that have been in the Omicrons for a considerably longer period of time, who surely would be better suited to mining Iridium?

Texan oil companies are better at extracting crude oil from Iraqs oil fields than Iraq's companies. Yesterday I saw a documentary on Copper mining in Chile and Peru. European companies, using european high tech equipment and our university skilled people are behind it.

This isn't the 21 century. Mining equipment is publicly available on the civilian ship market anyway.

(06-27-2014, 12:11 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: The better knowledge, equipment, skill is what makes the difference. Being native there does not make you good at using things that you have no clue about. A native with a pickaxe and knowledge on his surroundings is useful as a guide. What you need to exploit it is completely different. And I doubt Zoners have equipment and knowledge to prospect mining fields, select the best places, use the correct mining equipment, the cheapest drills, etc... etc...

Zoners come from multiple different backgrounds, I'm sure they'd be able to harness the ability to mine Iridium. And AI are probably smart enough to be able to devise a method of mining Iridium.

(06-27-2014, 12:11 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Imo there are tons of reasons why mining factions should always have an edge or at least never be worse than any of the non-mining factions in the field of mining. It's their roleplay. That's what they are good at and that's why they are played.

Give me some reasons why we should make current mining factions even more OP rather than giving new RP opportunities to existing factions, keeping the balance.

(06-27-2014, 12:12 PM)larzac Wrote: What i mean is that natives dont always know/need something about where they live. IMG mine almost everything in sirius, do you really think that they havent tech to mine iridium, even if they dont live there? same for Kruger.

I disagree. The natives have charted most of the known Omicrons extensively already, I'm sure they'd be able to harness the ability to mine.

(06-27-2014, 12:12 PM)larzac Wrote: IMG mine almost everything in sirius

Which is exactly why they shouldn't get a bonus.

(06-27-2014, 12:12 PM)larzac Wrote: When you are able to mine diamonds, i wouldnt worry for some metal

Uh, so you're saying that IMG can mine in other places already, and thus doesn't need even more bonuses? Yep, I'm saying that too.

(06-27-2014, 12:24 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote:

• All specialised miner factions: x3 (they simply have the best equipment, skill, techology, knowledge, ships. They are the experts)
  

(06-27-2014, 12:25 PM)larzac Wrote: No, i am saying that you should stop to speak and let yuri deal with our feedback now until you have something to say usefull and not QQ. It would be good for everyone, especially you.

(06-27-2014, 12:24 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Definitely "no!" for the many selling points in Omicrons, as inter-Omicron trading adds nothing but 5kers, afk-cruising from 1 hole to the other. less than 10 clicks per system, the rest is boring waiting time that you alt-tab for.

• All selling points need to be in civilized space.
  
• House main systems only, because they have bottlenecks surrounding them.
  
• Gamma and Alpha are also acceptable, as the same bottlenecks surround them, however lower price because the Omicron routes are much easier to fly. You will never meet anybody (beware the NPCs in Eta, though).

(06-27-2014, 12:37 PM)Pavel Wrote: As DHC was mentioned in that thread, I can say we don't aim at Iridium mining bonus, never requested it and outright reject such suggestions. Naturally inRP house corporations could send small expedition to deep Omicrons, but estabilishing mining operation is far below inRP plausibility level.

It's the local factions which should get bonus.

(06-27-2014, 12:27 PM)Lythrilux Wrote:

(06-27-2014, 12:24 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote:

• All specialised miner factions: x3 (they simply have the best equipment, skill, techology, knowledge, ships. They are the experts)
  

But why? They have places to mine already, let them stay in the areas they should be mining in rather than venturing into other areas of space.

Give native factions a chance to be active, rather than selling their activity to other, already active, factions.

(06-27-2014, 12:43 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote:

(06-27-2014, 12:27 PM)Lythrilux Wrote:

(06-27-2014, 12:24 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote:

• All specialised miner factions: x3 (they simply have the best equipment, skill, techology, knowledge, ships. They are the experts)
  

But why? They have places to mine already, let them stay in the areas they should be mining in rather than venturing into other areas of space.

Give native factions a chance to be active, rather than selling their activity to other, already active, factions.

First valid point, as it is a gameplay and roleplay distribution argument.

I however think that neither Kruger, not DHC, BMM and also not IMG will start mining there for real. All these factions have x4 multipliers (most of the two) and they have safe routes, bases in these systems, etc etc.

Having a x3 multiplier however would enable some roleplay like we had when I flew that IMG convoy there. It was madness and cool. I do not see IMG miners launching from a Freeport to mine there regularly.

But if you are afraid of it, the easy solution is to give the main mining factions for it (Zoners, AI according to many in here) the best multiplier. And all others weaker ones.

AI, Zoners: x3
all other mining factions: x2,5

Or even go for:

AI, Zoners: x4
all other mining factions: x3
all other native factions with another focus: x2,5

No problem with that.
Opening a region for more interaction is good, imo.