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RE: The Republic Of Liberty - Feedback and Reminder Thread - Czechmate - 06-11-2023
(06-11-2023, 02:41 PM)Erremnart Wrote:Can you clarify? This is a PoB in-game, exists there normally, is inPoB list. Can Lawfuls e.g. declare siege on the derelict, rp around it, or we have to pretend it doesn't exist/would be called out for metagaming? Hilariously, it's white to Navy and it could dock at least yesterday :]The Zoner POB in Driftwood Fields is not an ooRP thing - it is purely an inRP matter and a development related to the outcome of an event where a number of Zoner transports successfully got there.
The communication is addressed to 'Zoner Resistance Members', i.e. Zoners who radically disagree with the occupation of planet Erie.
The Zoners are a decentralized movement and there is no unified position nor unified command. Which Zoner wants to get involved - can; which doesn't - doesn't have to.
And I'd also like to urge Lib Gov to reply to Zoners to add some sense to this story. Zoners put in lot of effort, it should be reciprocated IMO.
RE: The Republic Of Liberty - Feedback and Reminder Thread - Erremnart - 06-11-2023
My apologies for any confusions. It's a result of me, @Aingar and others experimenting with more 'direct' ingame storytelling and we do it basically on-the-fly, seeing what plugin will allows us or not.
The Zoner PoB in Driftwood is currently hidden as most unlawful npc bases. It has been set up as a more flexible option to a regular npc base as we can update it with restarts rather than patches. Outpost's known location and whether it will be sieged or not will depend on how the story around Erie will unfold.
Ships heading there are normally visible and law enforcement issues for liberty lawfuls will be resolved with a plugin restart.
The Zoner PoB in Driftwood is currently hidden as most unlawful npc bases. It has been set up as a more flexible option to a regular npc base as we can update it with restarts rather than patches. Outpost's known location and whether it will be sieged or not will depend on how the story around Erie will unfold.
Ships heading there are normally visible and law enforcement issues for liberty lawfuls will be resolved with a plugin restart.
RE: The Republic Of Liberty - Feedback and Reminder Thread - Aingar - 06-11-2023
(06-11-2023, 03:56 PM)Czechmate Wrote: Hilariously, it's white to Navy and it could dock at least yesterday :]
Only today I've found a way to filter docking permissions via IFFs instead of names, since blocking only known faction tags wouldn't be much better than no blockage at all.
If you see any illogical docking blocks on either Alma or Pinnacle, let me know.
RE: The Republic Of Liberty - Feedback and Reminder Thread - SnakThree - 10-26-2023
Seeing how staff will be "supervising" everything governments do, I would like to know if there were incidents observed by players, or staff, that have been unfair or illogical that would warrant this shift from player-oriented government to staff-controlled. Thank you to those that can come forward and point out if we made any grave mistakes in our journey.
RE: The Republic Of Liberty - Feedback and Reminder Thread - Czechmate - 10-26-2023
Yes, I saw as extremely biased when the government took my 13-21 score in a respawn event, outside of house space where you cannot even do roleplay consequences, to try force an entire faction to be FR5d without a single piece of evidence or roleplay or answer when asked for evidence. And then people proceeded to bully our members with this nonsense based on that biased failed oorp difference of opinion about PvP in a respawn event outside of house space they brought into roleplay. For literally over year and a half, some still do.
We also saw biased that government didn't allow 1st rep in because of personal dislike despite us being the number one most active faction in Liberty for a while now and many non OFs, not even on tracker reps being in and voting.
You will say you dislike us, we are low quality, and going 13-21 lost a 100-161 score event, but that stuff should not be your call, GOVS shouldn't act and make sweeping big moves against people's characters in roleplay and pick and choose who can vote because of oorp reasons and dislikes.
We also had the feeling requests for licences etc. Have been denied because it was "us" more likely than if e.g. a gov member would apply.
Stuff like this will now be prevented, we know that licence denials, attempts to oust a player from an ID for oorp reasons will be stopped before they go out.
RE: The Republic Of Liberty - Feedback and Reminder Thread - SnakThree - 10-26-2023
(10-26-2023, 08:15 AM)Czechmate Wrote: Yes, I saw as extremely biased when the government took my 13-21 score in a respawn event, outside of house space where you cannot even do roleplay consequences, to try force an entire faction to be FR5d without a single piece of evidence or roleplay or answer when asked for evidence. And then people proceeded to bully our members with this nonsense based on that biased failed oorp difference of opinion about PvP in a respawn event outside of house space they brought into roleplay. For literally over year and a half, some still do.
We also saw biased that government didn't allow 1st rep in because of personal dislike despite us being the number one most active faction in Liberty for a while now and many non OFs, not even on tracker reps being in and voting.
You will say you dislike us, we are low quality, and going 13-21 lost a 100-161 score event, but that stuff should not be your call, GOVS shouldn't act and make sweeping big moves against people's characters in roleplay because of oorp reasons and dislikes.
We also had the feeling requests for licences etc. Have been denied because it was "us" more likely than if e.g. a gov member would apply.
Stuff like this will now be prevented, we know that licence denials, attempts to oust a player from an ID for oorp reasons will be stopped before they go out.
What if this stuff you are saying won't change, because staff will agree that having Liberty Insurgency capital ships for Liberty Navy is stupid. And as per current rules, unofficial factions are not invited to government. Even though LibGov allowed in people who are smart enough to be in LibGov.
And I honestly don't know what event score has to do with anything, it was during my absence from Discovery, so if you would be so kind as to provide some background and links to that, it would be appreciated.
RE: The Republic Of Liberty - Feedback and Reminder Thread - Czechmate - 10-26-2023
I also found the entire Bretonia Liberty a big error on the side of Bret gov and lib gov and it seemed like an oorp grudge from both sides between houses that have been close allies for a long time in RP. Stuff like that wouldn't start in the first place now, house GOVS will be more in line with canon and won't go house on house FR5 enemy gone nuclear for every dumb player roleplay like happened between Liberty and Bretonia.
RE: The Republic Of Liberty - Feedback and Reminder Thread - Reeves - 10-26-2023
@SnakThree - what's particularly ironic about your opposition to the gov changes is how you've been observed blocking out reps you didn't want in the past. I can recall the last episode of this being with IC and Hokan unless I'm mistaken.
I can also recall you being perfectly willing to actively conspire with KuGov to effectively split Kepler in half and try annexing it in the past, which I even spoke to you about over discord and voiced my disapproval as a regional unlawful. You were less than receptive to compromise though.
Would you be willing to own up to this track record as loudly as you voice your criticisms?
RE: The Republic Of Liberty - Feedback and Reminder Thread - SnakThree - 10-26-2023
(10-26-2023, 08:31 AM)Reeves Wrote: @SnakThree - what's particularly ironic about your opposition to the gov changes is how you've been observed blocking out reps you didn't want in the past. I can recall the last episode of this being with IC and Hokan unless I'm mistaken.
I can also recall you being perfectly willing to actively conspire with KuGov to effectively split Kepler in half and try annexing it in the past, which I even spoke to you about over discord and voiced my disapproval as a regional unlawful. You were less than receptive to compromise though.
Would you be willing to own up to this track record as loudly as you voice your criticisms?
Sure. I didn't want IC| in Liberty Government if they didn't want to count as Liberty faction. But I put it to a vote, and if more than 50% voted for it, I would not oppose it, as I truly believe in LibGov voting process. No issues with AWES- now.
I don't remember trying to annex Kepler at all. It doesn't really sound like me. Enforcing laws in there by lawfuls, sure, that can be by ID for many years. I do believe houses should be able to enforce POB laws in there as well (at least POBs close to JG/TL system). So maybe that's what we were talking about? If I am mistaken, and provided evidence contrary to that, I will own up all of my mistakes.
RE: The Republic Of Liberty - Feedback and Reminder Thread - Saronsen - 10-26-2023
(10-26-2023, 08:15 AM)Czechmate Wrote: Yes, I saw as extremely biased when the blahblahwhatever
Quote:We also saw biased that government didn't allow 1st rep in because of personal dislike despite us being the number one most active faction in Liberty for a while now and many non OFs, not even on tracker reps being in and voting."i put a gold nugget in this twenty ton pile of pig manure. see how much we do?"
Quote:You will say you dislike us, we are low quality, and going 13-21 lost a 100-161 score event, but that stuff should not be your call, GOVS shouldn't act and make sweeping big moves against people's characters in roleplay and pick and choose who can vote because of oorp reasons and dislikes.the fact you were one of two? maybe three? FR5 attempts ever done in the 4 years ive been in libgov should tell you how we generally dont make "sweeping" moves against characters. one of those were auxesia who supported hellfire, and until nyx forgot about it, they were working on getting in the good graces again, for a little while.
Quote:We also had the feeling requests for licences etc. Have been denied because it was "us" more likely than if e.g. a gov member would apply.if anyone in libgov had applied for a hellfire capital ship to be used in daily flight i can assure you everyone else wouldve told them to pound sand, while i called them various slurs for being an absolute schmuck. if your request was something like "oh we just want a training target for bombers" or if you were making a unique model out of it so it wasnt just "GIANT SYMBOL OF POWER OF THE ENEMIES OF LIBERTY" flying as part of the fleet you would have had my thumbs up for it. because the first one is funny, and the second one is cool. no, you just wanted to fly an HFBC with a paragraph of roleplay pertaining to it before you made the request.
Quote:Stuff like this will now be prevented, we know that licence denials, attempts to oust a player from an ID for oorp reasons will be stopped before they go out.if you think any government is going to unanimously deny your request, have a moderator turn it over because they think its "unfair", then think the participating players are going to stay, youve got another thing coming. thats when it becomes the staffs problem.