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Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - rhodes - 04-12-2010
This isnt a question of whether the RFP should be able to use a gunboat its the question of whether they should get a totally new one.
To the first part I say yes, but only a few. The reason for this is sometimes, like some of you have stated, the RFP can get overwhelmed and the military is sometimes unable to back them up.
Now for the second part, should a new gunboat be created, I say no. If the police needs military grade gear wouldnt they get it from the military? In the USA some SWAT police forces use military grade assault rifles (M16) if their regular use firearms are not enough. So applying that same logic wouldnt the RFP use the RM gunboat in the rare situations where they need extra firepower? The answer is yes and from my understanding they do already.
Now if were talking about getting new ships for Rhienland I would much rather see a new Battle cruiser than a second gunboat.
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Cris - 04-13-2010
' Wrote:This isnt a question of whether the RFP should be able to use a gunboat its the question of whether they should get a totally new one.
To the first part I say yes, but only a few. The reason for this is sometimes, like some of you have stated, the RFP can get overwhelmed and the military is sometimes unable to back them up.
Now for the second part, should a new gunboat be created, I say no. If the police needs military grade gear wouldnt they get it from the military? In the USA some SWAT police forces use military grade assault rifles (M16) if their regular use firearms are not enough. So applying that same logic wouldnt the RFP use the RM gunboat in the rare situations where they need extra firepower? The answer is yes and from my understanding they do already.
Now if were talking about getting new ships for Rhienland I would much rather see a new Battle cruiser than a second gunboat.
Now try to get a military gunboat from the RM, they restrict their use a lot; what the RFP needs is a vessel capable of interdiction of bigger vessels; the gunship doesnt needs to be too powerful, just enough to make smugglers or pirates think twice when they see one.
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Elven - 04-13-2010
RFP doesn't need it's own GB.
And Rheinland caps have to be heavy. It's their shipbuilding choice - they rely on heavy, HEAAAAVY ships. Like battleship.
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Curios - 04-13-2010
@Elven
Zis Conception was thrown out a while ago D:
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - sovereign - 04-13-2010
Warning, the following post shares a few things in common with wasps. It's a bit venomous and liable to sting.
' Wrote:Now try to get a military gunboat from the RM, they restrict their use a lot; what the RFP needs is a vessel capable of interdiction of bigger vessels; the gunship doesnt needs to be too powerful, just enough to make smugglers or pirates think twice when they see one.
See, if I was a smuggler (and I am) I would worry about a Mjolnir far more than a gunboat. Especially a light gunboat. You may not have noticed, but in the time between 4.84 and now transport turrets are now actually quite effective against larger targets but rather wimpy against smaller ones- these things called "Transport Turrets Type I" can remove gunboat shields in a hurry and keep the thing from even firing. Now, Imperators and such have the plant to chow past 3-4 of these monsters, but a Firefly or BWT (not even a Slave Liner) is honestly a bigger threat to a Bottlenose than a Roc is. I say this as a transport pilot, a gunboat pilot (though I confess I have more experience flying alongside and against gunboats than piloting them in recent months), and a bomber pilot.
You already have a trade interdiction vessel. The Mjolnir was designed for this express purpose. If I recall correctly it was tailored to the needs of the RFP- a transport beater that could hold its own against fighters. Between the Phantom and Mjolnirs you can deal with fighters (and especially bombers) just fine, and dismantle transports. This will be even easier in 4.86 than it is now, and if the LPI can kill dual-missile Tridente swarms in their Liberators you can deal with everything that isn't the Military's problem.
Also, if you tell me that you need to fight cruisers, I will find a trout to slap you with. I might have to accidentally bribe JD again in order to do it, but it'll be worth it. I honestly don't believe you when you say "the Military isn't around enough", since the last time I saw an RFP) online was in the 4.85 betas. And that's not from lack of playing in Rheinland.
Actually, if you really need to use the Wraith, go do it. The [RM-V] takes on the Liberty lolfleet with them and prevails, surely you can handle a few transports. If you start being active, the RM can stop doing policing duty and you'll have your niche. But the onus is on you to be active first, not for the RM to let Rheinland become a smuggling highway in the hopes you will become active.
You do not need your own ship. If you really need a gunboat, you said you have three current RM gunboats allotted to you? Given that I can't say I've ever seen more than three RFP) online in my entire time at disco, just share them and you'll be able to equip any scouting party entirely with gunboats. See how well that works against the Smokeones, you'll probably be back in LFs by the end of the week.