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Admin Notice: Faction Jailed - PsychO1381 - 03-24-2011
Currently the discussion is about NORP , not PYM , ORI , and below ^.^
i still havent heard any reason to why we got sanctioned other then our playstyle during the last few factions was not impressive .
what i do laugh about , is you use ORI and PYM , to kill NORP .
whats that? no reason to drown NORP , so you use disolved factions?
gtfo already
edit: wow i didnt notice this was the PYM topic >.< i admit - fail.
Admin Notice: Faction Jailed - Antiker - 03-24-2011
' Wrote:what i do laugh about , is you use ORI and PYM , to kill NORP .
gtfo already
I hope you dont mean me i didnt even kill one of your NORP guys, i just saw one getting pwnd by the station in front of NT when i told him to stop he stoped but died because of the station. *laughs*But back to NORP do you realy think that they killed you for you faktions before? It isnt a Conspiracy against you, you just screwed up some things maybe SOME of the Community attack you because of that...
But most players can keep apart between OORP and RP
Admin Notice: Faction Jailed - PsychO1381 - 03-24-2011
' Wrote:I hope you dont mean me i didnt even kill one of your NORP guys, i just saw one getting pwnd by the station in front of NT when i told him to stop he stoped but died because of the station. *laughs*But back to NORP do you realy think that they killed you for you faktions before? It isnt a Conspiracy against you, you just screwed up some things maybe SOME of the Community attack you because of that...
But most players can keep apart between OORP and RP
Kill- as in get the faction disolved by giving facts about previous factions .
and yeah , all we did was sit at ames, and pirate like normal indy/cast players would do .
get in a firefight
and get sanctioned
.
wheres the oorp?
edit: the only reason I or anyone else used oorp talk , was after the metagamer lolwut fight . when i noticed valiant nearby , i wanted to be the first one to lay down the situation before it hits the forums.
Admin Notice: Faction Jailed - Antiker - 03-24-2011
Its about the History of your Factions what admins did and the thing with Ames its: A non fire zone (as i remember)
You did too much wrong (not you especialy but all of the faction) It is the sum of the happenings and each time your faction was jailed you made a new one so you didnt want to improve or run from your problems...
Admin Notice: Faction Jailed - PsychO1381 - 03-24-2011
firing in NFZ = FR5 .
we got sanctioned and disolved .
fixing a jailed faction = people like you and everyone else , including the trolls . not listening to our point , and continuing the bla bla bla .
new faction = less drama .
so really , did NORP get sanctioned only because some meta-gamers attacked us, and we fought back , and we were inappropriate in ORI and PYM?
Admin Notice: Faction Jailed - Antiker - 03-24-2011
I think you dont understand ...
fixing a jailed faction = people like you and everyone else , including the trolls . not listening to our point , and continuing the bla bla bla .
im not blablaing im trying to help you to understand if you would have tried to improve and fix your stuff it would be okay but you just flooded us with new factions 6 as i remember in what amount of time? i heard about ORI PYM and NORP in 1 month
you know that an faction has responsibilties?(gosh i hate long words:/ ) so back to the thing why your faction was jailed disvolved blabla : it hasnt to do with NORP its just the top of the mountain... just think about the other factions...
Admin Notice: Faction Jailed - fencore - 03-24-2011
About all I have first-hand accounts on are the Zoner end of things, specifically OSI. Everything else is mostly observation, up until the incident at Ames the other night.
I like to think that the Zoner factions did our damned best to accommodate y'all when the ORI stuff was going on. Yeah, we groaned, as a good number of us thought you were taking Zoner roleplay on a tangent that it wasn't supposed to go. Look at us, we've got a bunch of indies running Freeports and having a good chunk of weight to throw into their regional politics. Back during the Zoner Alliance, we incorporated quite a few unofficial factions as well. Saying that any of us never gave you a shot is simply not true.
We let you do your thing, and then used our rights as official factions to try to steer things back on track. Y'all continued to be abrasive and do your own thing, which I guess is cool, but you've also got to consider our end as well. As official factions, we've worked to get our various roleplays in sync and where we want them. Even though you're wearing an ORI tag and yelling about different things, the fact of the matter there was that you folks were still Zoners, and what you did affected us in a way we didn't want Zoner roleplay to take. The reactions from other factions, though? We're Zoners. We have no military might. Our weapons are our words. When that fails, the factions we neighbor come knocking at our door. There was a little event with the Corsairs in Theta. Might want to read up on that.
From there on, it seemed that the issue more was friction with the official factions than anything else. I got the very strong impression that you folks were more than happy to do whatever it was that you wanted to do, and if the official faction came by, screw 'em. Now, I'm not gonna claim that the official factions never do anything wrong, but you've also got to bear in mind that the role of an official faction is to direct the roleplay for that NPC faction. They're the guardians of that story, in essence, and they've put in time and effort to make things run the way they have. When you waltz up and do whatever the hell you please, that throws a wrench in the works, and I see a lot of what happened post-ORI had its roots in a roleplay response. In the case of the PYM stuff, my observations are that a foreign capship was in Kusari space without authorization. KNF and KSP took steps to remove that problem, which ended up resorting in use of force, after which the Emperor was fired upon. THat's a -huge- no-no in Kusari. Everything stemming from that, while there were most likely other feelings as well, again stemmed from the use of the rights of official factions.
Of course, mixed through out, I've also seen examples of OORP chat, cursing, and generally poor attitude from the ORI, PYM, and NORP groups while interacting.
Moving on to the Ames debacle, I'm going to tell you why OSI did exactly what we did. OSI, in conjunction with Edward Malrone, who administers the Research Station, base operations there. In the case of that particular OSI ship you shot down, that was a delivery to the station, which you claimed as your own (and don't deny it, I've got the screens. You might say the Oriport comment was a joke regarding Freeport 11. I won't believe that NORP Research Station was the same). In the event, an OSI ship had every right to order a group of Outcasts who were causinga ruckus away from the station. Even though there isn't "Freeport" in the station's name, it still has a NFZ and is treated as any other Zoner station. You folks refused, destroyed the OSI transport, and continued on your merry way. That's going to result in a FR5 and the bounty that you saw. Mind you, an FR5 is not a sanction, it's a forced changing of reputation to match InRP actions.
And the nonsense with Ames' Administrator's esecution this morning? Poor form. I don't care what your "intentions" were, that's powergaming, plain and simple. If Malrone's player had come out and agreed to the event of some sort, then it would've been hunky-dory. You can call a KoS order. You can declare him a fugitive. But when you actually take steps to remove a particular player's RP without his consent, that's just wrong.
As far as the Reavers go, OSI's not the only ones with bounties on NORP ships. If memory serves, mercs can also collect on Outcast kills in the independent systems around Liberty. Given the ruckus you folks were causing, it's just as likely that they were coming for that bounty too. Mind you as well, half of you were in OC ships wearing OC IDs. That makes you under the jurisdiction of the Outcast official factions. There's still a voice to listen to there as well.
I mean, really, yeah, there was some groaning over the ORI-PYM-NORP transitions. When you wear a tag like //NORP, you better expect some comments regarding lack of roleplay, because it seems like the goal of each of these groups was the cause trouble. I'm in support of new and inventive roleplay, absolutely. But the official factions have worked to set certain bounds. You don't have the emulate the factions, per se, but you do need to work within the established canon and expected behavior.
From what I see, this is why we're sitting where we are. The point now isn't to yell and scream so much about how you were wronged, which seems to be the only thing being done (although I can understand a good bit of agitation at the poor responses from other community member). At this point it's time to accept mistakes. You look at yours, I'll take mine. Reaction to a situation can carry just as much weight as the actions that got you there, possibly more.
I realize I'm not the definitive official here. I'm just posting my observations. Most of us are willing to work with you folks if you'll work with us. I know I am. But the track you've been on isn't one that most of the regular players around here with to associate themselves with.
That's it, I'm done. I've said my piece. Remember, folks, the community doesn't adapt to the players, it's the players that have to adapt to the community. We all have to.
Admin Notice: Faction Jailed - PsychO1381 - 03-24-2011
i joined ORI , and up . i dont even know the story of the factions below
its just that we knew from ORI , that when PYM got jailed for attacking the emperor and KNF . no chance . so we forgot about it .
NORP was created as a joke by Dakun to wich we later on decided to create into a proper faction . that was about 3 or 4 days before the dogpile.
and what happened?
dogpile on NORP , ban later .
and by dogpile i mean Lane hacker + liberty rogue attacking outcast . wheres the RP in that? the lane hacker and the rogue had nothing to do with reavers attacking outcasts . not to mention the Indy pirate attacking indy pirates and outcasts
oh and also the AI cruiser .
im just sick of all the metagaming that later turns against us. everytime someone used Metagaming on us . they won .
why?
edit to not make a new reply : on my behalf i tried my best to RP as NORP , PYM , and ORI .
the ames research station , yeah FR5 . thats the worst thing that could have happened to us .
the forum talk afterwards , i just joined in for the fun .
the execution = didnt even know about it until it was posted . so wont argue about it
but the thing i hate is that , with NORP , we tried to be a proper criminal faction . wich turned out in every ally/neutral faction joining the reavers in killing us . then acting as if nothing happened . the reavers even trolled us on the forums . so we trolled back i guess.
and about the OC gunboats, we tried to think up for a way to be fully indy pirate faction , while keeping ships that are bigger then bombers. we didnt have enough time to think of something other then OC support .
Admin Notice: Faction Jailed - Athenian - 03-24-2011
The NORP is being dissolved because the same group of players we jailed for rules violations made another faction that picked up several reports in the last few days for
swearing in game
F1 ng during interactions
oorp equipment
oorp behaviour
inappropriate language on the forum
flaming
and
ooc talk in system.
Making a faction called "NORP" is most likely an attempt to demonstrate how annoyed you are at your treatment. That's fine. But this is a roleplaying server. So you will meet the standards we set or go elsewhere.
If you think you have been treated unfairly, post a report. Put up or shut up. We have been remarkably lenient with you. You have all your ships, you have been warned, you can still play here. Now get on with it. Any more posts on this matter will be invisibled.
Now I am taking a bath cause you kids are driving me crazy.
Admin Notice: Faction Jailed - Athenian - 04-07-2011
Quote:All NORP/PYM members are forbidden from forming a faction for three months from this date.(whenever that was...see previous post)
That includes re-forming previously dissolved ones like the ORI, even if it is just on the forum.