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The Volksfront - Pinko - 03-25-2011
' Wrote:Social-nationalism, Lady.
Well, I'd not like this to happen, since on practice VF'll simply become Hogosha. What's even worse, you offer to establish long time RP for the bundschuh, coming at least for fifty years? It'll ruin all RP created by the VF before, but well.. Unless you mean such change could occur within one year, what I find rather hard.
If we changed pre-Nomad War lore, why not to make Bundies conservative monarchists?
I already explained to you that names have nothing to do with their actual political meanings. :|
The Volksfront - ryoken - 03-25-2011
Another faction trying to go away from Vanila RP. Bad Idea. I follow vanila,so my Military will still shoot them. Getting tired of factions that suddenly decide they want their own RP away from standard RP.
The Volksfront - VoluptaBox - 03-25-2011
' Wrote:Another faction trying to go away from Vanila RP. Bad Idea. I follow vanila,so my Military will still shoot them. Getting tired of factions that suddenly decide they want their own RP away from standard RP.
They're current roleplay is being shadowed by the Hessians. So you'd rather have an inactive faction, which equals no roleplay, than an active faction which distances itself from vanilla Freelancer?
The Volksfront - ryoken - 03-25-2011
' Wrote:They're current roleplay is being shadowed by the Hessians. So you'd rather have an inactive faction, which equals no roleplay, than an active faction which distances itself from vanilla Freelancer?
I would rather have factions RP what they signed up for. Yes i know they are hurting,and i would love to help. But if factions keep swapping RP when ever they feel like it what then? Lawful xeno's? Military working for corsairs? Traders that pirate instead of hauling? Soon new players will come here,take 1 look at all the crap they need to read just to figure out who is friend or fo,and say screw it. I will play some where else. And to any who say we do not need new players? your wrong. People come and go daily. if you stop them from coming the server dies like any other.
The Volksfront - VoluptaBox - 03-25-2011
' Wrote:I would rather have factions RP what they signed up for. Yes i know they are hurting,and i would love to help. But if factions keep swapping RP when ever they feel like it what then? Lawful xeno's? Military working for corsairs? Traders that pirate instead of hauling? Soon new players will come here,take 1 look at all the crap they need to read just to figure out who is friend or fo,and say screw it. I will play some where else. And to any who say we do not need new players? your wrong. People come and go daily. if you stop them from coming the server dies like any other.
Agreed, new people are indeed needed. AS for the roleplay..there are boundaries, set by the admins. It's not up to me or you to decide how far a faction can go. But, if it was up to me, I'd encourage this change. In my opinion, will only enrich the roleplay environment.
The Volksfront - ryoken - 03-25-2011
' Wrote:They're current roleplay is being shadowed by the Hessians. So you'd rather have an inactive faction, which equals no roleplay, than an active faction which distances itself from vanilla Freelancer?
Right now i do not care. Go away from vanila,and then scream and yell when you get people that do not accept your RP,and still shoot you. Plain,and simple. You cannot force others to accept anything not Vanila. It has been proven in the past. You will end up with even less players because they think they are safe,and then get shot trying to say " we are friendly now,you can't shoot us" well guess what? people can,and will. All i can say is recruit. Changing a faction is not a solution. Go ahead,and flame me now,but thats my oppinion.:cool:
The Volksfront - SpaceTime - 03-25-2011
' Wrote:Right now i do not care. Go away from vanila,and then scream and yell when you get people that do not accept your RP,and still shoot you. Plain,and simple. You cannot force others to accept anything not Vanila.
Let me give you an example. Look at the jump hole network. It was created because the adventures of Trent demanded it. So you can see Bretonia's hole network is extremely better and more extensive than Liberty's or Kusari's (excluding Chugoku).
Furthermore, it was very problematic. Sigma-13 - NB hole which was right next to the capital planet or there was Magellan-NY Jump Gate and right next to the NY Gate, the Leeds jump hole.
What I want to say is that many things were created in order to support the Vanilla SP. But since, as I already showed, sometimes is problematic and balance disruptive then the removal/editing of some issues is necessary.
' Wrote:You're suggesting to make the Bundschuh a... I dunno, Right Wing extremist faction in Rheinland?
Since we discussed this on skype, let me re-state some of the things I told you there.
Rheinland has 4 unlawful, pirate groups (more than any House). The idealists (and not common pirates) Hessians/Unioners/LWB demand more leftist methods for the creation of new jobs, bigger salaries for the workers/miners and they also call the Rheinland Authorities as "fascists" that means they demand more liberties as well. Now if Bundschuh remain in this way of thinking, one thing is for sure. Their RP will be covered by the other unlawful factions and their activity will also remain low.
On the other hand, Rheinland is within patriotic - nationalist area, so there must be a political party which is radical nationalist/right in order to draw Rheinland to the right and also a paramilitary (Volksfront) which will be in a constant war with the enemies; both internal and external. This is where Bundschuh RP I think can fit.
The Volksfront - Vrabcek - 03-25-2011
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So my idea is to disrupt this homogeneity by making the Bundschuh an extreme right wing party in the Bundestag. Volksfront will be their informal military branch which will execute specific tasks.
- Destruction of all leftists because they are considered as a danger to the State and to the Kanzler.
- Supporting a State-centered economy
- Terrorism on Libertonian corporations and brutal war on their forces
- A limited piracy on Bretonian (mostly) / Kusarian shipments in order to have the means to support both the Volksfront but also the Bundschuh Partei
- Limited smuggling for the above reason but with accomodities which are not very harmful to Rheinland economy (smuggling is always harmful for an economy, but what I want to say is that Cardamine, Blood Diamonds, etc create many more problems than a Gaian Wildlife shipment)
Thank you for the ideas, but the changes you are suggesting are completly changing the bundschuh RP.
1. I cant imagine that the bundschuh decide from day to day to "serve" the kanzler and eliminate HIS enemies, like you mentioned the hessians,lwb and unioners
2. The bundschuh are against the centered economy and also against the centered power.
3. I can imagine be brutal to the libertonian corporations, as long Rheinland is in war with the Libertonian agressors. The bundschuh are very nationalistic and also helping the Rheinland forces to fight against the invasion libertonian forces.
I was thinking more of a situation for the Bundschuh like this:
The bundschuh are tired of the endless fight against the power of the kanzler. They are thinking of an another way how they could gain power. The attemps of getting the power with force has failed. They came up with an idea doing it lawful, getting lawful into the goverment. To do so, they have to make the kanzler believe that they are not a threat to him anymore. That could be possible in some ways ( maybe something with the war against liberty, rescuing prisoners from texas or something like that).
But still the Bundschuh have their enemies and friends. I can imagine that the only real enemie of the Rheinland unlawfuls would be the unioners. Even today the Bundschuh dont agree with some of their methods, but the bundschuh lack the menpower to have an open fight with them.
The biggest problem are the hessians. They are the real weapon supporter of the bundschuh, but the bundschuh dont like their friendship with the SCRA, so i can imagine making the hessians neutral. The same goes for the LWB, the bundschuh dont have anything against them so far.
I dont know what relations should the bundschuh have with the Rheinland corporations.
I just shot some ideas here, its just my personal thoughts not the ideas of the Volksfront faction.
The Volksfront - TheJarl - 03-25-2011
' Wrote:Thank you for the ideas, but the changes you are suggesting are completly changing the bundschuh RP.
1. I cant imagine that the bundschuh decide from day to day to "serve" the kanzler and eliminate HIS enemies, like you mentioned the hessians,lwb and unioners
2. The bundschuh are against the centered economy and also against the centered power.
3. I can imagine be brutal to the libertonian corporations, as long Rheinland is in war with the Libertonian agressors. The bundschuh are very nationalistic and also helping the Rheinland forces to fight against the invasion libertonian forces.
I was thinking more of a situation for the Bundschuh like this:
The bundschuh are tired of the endless fight against the power of the kanzler. They are thinking of an another way how they could gain power. The attemps of getting the power with force has failed. They came up with an idea doing it lawful, getting lawful into the goverment. To do so, they have to make the kanzler believe that they are not a threat to him anymore. That could be possible in some ways ( maybe something with the war against liberty, rescuing prisoners from texas or something like that).
But still the Bundschuh have their enemies and friends. I can imagine that the only real enemie of the Rheinland unlawfuls would be the unioners. Even today the Bundschuh dont agree with some of their methods, but the bundschuh lack the menpower to have an open fight with them.
The biggest problem are the hessians. They are the real weapon supporter of the bundschuh, but the bundschuh dont like their friendship with the SCRA, so i can imagine making the hessians neutral. The same goes for the LWB, the bundschuh dont have anything against them so far.
I dont know what relations should the bundschuh have with the Rheinland corporations.
I just shot some ideas here, its just my personal thoughts not the ideas of the Volksfront faction.
In my opinion, we should become LESS nationalistic actually. The Bundschuh are the intelligent and more peaceful folks. I'd say opposition to the war as a whole would be best. And a xenophobic style would be 'meh' as well. I wouldn't like the Bundschuh to become the Xenos of Rheinland, nor would I like them to become the FA of Rheinland.
I'd prefer Bundschuh to be Progressive Socio-Liberals who prefer to PvP with words, but use weapons as a secondary means. Trying to convince people first, carefully thinking. And when fighting doing hit-and-run strikes. Relations with rebels from foreign Houses could be good as well.
The Volksfront - Blodo - 03-25-2011
I find Vrabcek's ideas more appealing lore progression wise than SpaceTime's to be honest. Lets face it, a complete turn around would splinter the party if anything. It would be impossible and unrealistic to have the whole party unanimously switch from fairly libertarian to hard line nationalist, especially considering that they are meant to be the intelligentsia of Rheinland and not simply a group of "follow the leader" rabble. SpaceTime's idea would work for a sort of unique player faction, but it wouldn't work for the whole NPC faction.
Lets face it, this is a lore vs. gameplay argument again. In terms of lore it just makes little sense for the unlawfuls in Rheinland to fight each other. The Bundschuh prefer a united front so they can draw recruits from all the other unlawful groups. The Hessians fund the LWB, use the Unioners as security for their diamond shipments to Liberty and the Bundschuh as allies in arms dating all the way back to the Popular Revolution. The Unioners get well funded from the diamond trade through their territory, and can expand freely into Frankfurt because the Bundschuh don't shoot them and offer them their facilities. The LWB is as mentioned funded by the Hessians, and is otherwise not really cared for by the Unioners and only so so by the Bundschuh for the recruits. This is information that can be derived from vanilla rumours, even the diamond trade (it used to be regular diamonds in vanilla, for gameplay reasons it is now a unique commodity). The current Rheinland unlawful lore was built off of that.
Of course these extensive ties have the effect that most of the difference between these factions is just individual RP, as they cooperate quite closely so they tend to mix their equipment and ZoI a lot. That is I guess a gameplay downside because the Hessians seem to be the most universal there, and so are a first preference for most.
The only way there could be an unlawful faction in Rheinland that is hostile to all the rest of them is if a new NPC faction was made, or a unique player group based itself around one of the IDs and simply assumed its own diplomacy. A player group is an option, a new NPC faction... not for the short term and still wouldn't help the smaller factions gain much activity I think.
Instead for the Bundschuh I would say what Vrabcek wrote is good + further expansion into Sigma-13. The reason for hostilities with the GMG could be the fact that they currently are on good terms with the Rheinland government and supply them with their H-Fuel. Remove the H-Fuel = remove the government just like in the 80 years war. And then there's the ore traders going through there all the time. It could get good.