' Wrote:Of course I have read it. You just want to fly capships. The end. A nice and valid reason which will be approved? I doubt so.

I don't mean any disrespect, Sir, but besides reading you need to do it with a bit of understanding. You clearly haven't achieved this goal yet, Sir. Good luck.

' Wrote:I just noticed... Emergency Defense Group Enterprise? Who do you defend? Don't tell me those who hire you, that's a cliche.

Bounty hunting is a secondary role of the EDGE. The main role is to deploy stationary defense groups that acts in emergency situations. So let's say there was a deployment to Tau-23. Whenever there was a call on Tau-23 emergency chat that there is considerable Outcast presence in the system, all available members were logging into their chars there to repel the invaders. Unfortunately the only complete EDG deployment we were able to roleplay was with DHC. But then DHC disbanded themselves. However, short, the EDG deployment to Omega-11 was the best example for what EDGE was formed. To provide complete defense of corporate assets in a certain area. Since during the deployment to Omega-11 we were like 15 times smaller than RHA and RF it was a hell lot of fun. In a positive sense. And we were ganked mercilessly too. Nothing against that, Sir. Although I am pretty well conscious that RF and RHA might have different opinions. It is, I guess, hard to admit that we gave them something to do and to have fun in the process. Sad but true fact is that not really many mining corporations want or can afford such EDG deployments. I really don't want to offend anybody here. It is how I see things. BMM is a nearly a non-existent faction. Kruger Minerals have also low numbers and activity. I pretty understand that. Personally I am not interested in playing a mining corporation. It is too boring. The biggest mining faction that would want our services is IMG, but they themselves are one of the strongest factions able to defend themselves with the support of CR. Situation might change in 4.86 when there will be no CR in Taus and they will still need an ally to fight against Outcasts. DHC was perfect as an employer. DHC was all alone in Omega-11 facing an opponent twenty times stronger, having unfriendly competition and mortal enemy in Omega-7, and having its facilities in several systems. So in short we defend mining corporations in their hostile mining systems. While inRP such services should be enough for EDGE, ooRP you just can't lock entire faction in a single system. Hence the secondary and tertiary roles of hunting and escorting. And due to practical limitations and current market situations, de facto, hunting became our primary role. But we don't want it this way. It's just the necessary evil.

' Wrote:If your applying for Official faction Status, don't have Bigass practice things in conn, especially when half the ships are not even doing anything, it looks like just trying to get on-line time.

Don't judge people, judge their doings. I don't judge you, Sir, I judge what you said. What you said, Sir, is just utterly stupid. If I recall correctly you refer to our gunboat training sessions in Connecticut. Most of the participants were not doing anything because they were listening to what the instructor was saying. Not to mention that we don't even have an activity tracker. Activity time I gave here came from my own parser that we use to determine activity of the members. If really activity time was so important then everyone would just leave a ship or two 50K above the plane in some desolate system for a day or two to boost their tracker. Not to mention that those sessions were done probably more than a month ago.

' Wrote:It'€™s not the community'€™s comments that put you faction in a bad light. You are doing that every day because of the way you play the game. I have to admit my last encounter with EDGE was different and enjoyable but all your past actions make me believe that was the exception to the rule.

Once again, I must point out, Sir, that you have a limited perspective. We are here for eight months already. I pointed out in previous post here that the amount of combat situations of EDGE is quite big. But most of those situations were either examples of us being ganked, fighting fair or having only a slight advantage. I admit that recently there was more ganking on our part. The reasons are trivial. We have new members and nearly simultaneously four major bounty boards were closed. In short we became jobless and hungry for action. As a result our faction became overpopulated for a regular bounty hunting. For a month or so we are trying to negotiate serious contract that would give our members something to do, but with no success yet.

' Wrote:Don'€™t get me wrong, I don'€™t have a problem with being killed by you but most of the times I just quit fighting in order to get it over with.

Well, first of all I would to point out that I was there, in Dublin, several days ago. Your four fighters attacked first our gunboat. During the fight you were given multiple occasions to leave the gunboats alone and switch to fighters versus fighters brawl only. You ignored them and decided to play martyr that is ganked. Well, nothing can be done in such situation. You were probably too busy to see that for the half of the fight me and Aeqvinox were sitting still. As for the ganking in general, someone nicely pointed it out that giving a fair fight to an opponent is just a plain waste of recruitment efforts and their time. Call me a pvpwhore but I haven't seen enough action here lately. The reason why we use gunboats is very simple. Combined wings of two gunboats and several fighters are stronger than wings consisting of gunboats only or fighters only. Consider pirate incursions into House Space something similar to various raids on Gamma or Alpha. Small pirate groups should use there hit and run tactics and not to try annihilate enemy forces. They should attempt this only if having significant force. When I have only two wingmen and ten SCRA fighters are coming I just run screaming "Hide your wives and daughters!" hoping that later on i will be able to rally enough fighters to oppose them. Haven't happened yet, bad timing I guess. All in all, I want more fights and more bigger engagements.

' Wrote:I can recall at least 10 occasions in which I have been attacked (note that your people fired first) by EDGE ships and I have yet to see them claim any bounties for the times me or my friends/wingmen died.

Well this is a serious accusation, Sir. As what you're describing is a sanctionable PVP abuse. These are bounty claims on Sails I have found by doing a quick search: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. If you were attacked by our members in the systems covered by BAF, BPA or IMG bounty boards, and there was no claim, then the reason may be trivial. Screen taken were not sufficient for a bounty claim, someone in a rush just forgot to take them, or they are away right now and can't post them. But if it is something else I might have suspicion what is going on. All in all I am going to check it.

' Wrote:Three of The Ministry guys (including me) are in Berlin ten days ago (gunboat, bomber, bomber) and we're stoping EDGE guy in a fighter. We're trying to talk - not a single word from the guy. Probably calling for help. We're trying to RP so it continues on with RPing between ourselves - still not a word. Two minutes have passed, EDGE guy continues to just fly around - still not a word. Two of our bombers finally attack (I stand aside) that one fighter when second EDGE fighter enters Berlin and starts shooting - still not a word. One minute later six (or seven, bombers/fighters) more EDGE guys (along with BHG-Monica.Bellucci, GB) enter Berlin and starts shooting at us - still not a word. I get shot down - still not a word. Not. Even. "Die." Come on!

You might be surprised, but this is going to be investigated. I have a suspicion what it was about. And you may even receive an outcome of the investigation. Lack of simplest engagement notice is an obvious violation of the rules. Although, just hinting it, nobody can be forced to roleplay with you. If the whole situation was like that: you stopped our fighter, he remained silent, you finally attacked him, he was dodging, when others arrived they issued engagement notice and attacked you, THEN everything would be allright. Someone pointed it out nicely that discussions about meaning of life between Bounty Hunters and pirates are a bit silly.

' Wrote:Only ONCE I had positive experience with you guys. Three EDGE guys near Leeds talking about the past days. I could tell these were no damn amateurs by the formulation of their sentences. They had no desire to fight, just talk. If you ask me, these three ONLY should be a part of this faction. Others are nothing but a Counter-Strike players. Btw... Do you recruit everyone who simply PM you? Sorry, that was just a joke.

Imagine that me and Aeqvinox are playing since 2005. At least five others are playing Freelancer or Discovery for three years. Also make no mistake. This is a combat faction that is oriented on PVP with a solid roleplay background. For a pure roleplay I have other characters, both indie and in official factions. Some of them have only one purpose, the roleplay. There is a place in this faction for "counter-strike players" as long as they uphold minimal standards of roleplay, that are roughly three maxims: never engage without a notice, hunt only bountied targets, respond to roleplay even with a limited way. If someone is not doing it he will be reminded and if this doesn't change he will be kicked. So we are thankful for any feedback in this matter. But as a PVP-oriented faction I won't resign from additional manpower just because they don't know how to write an epic story. By the way, our Corporate Channel contains many good background stories. maybe not epic, but still they are good, I think.

' Wrote:Write up is nicely written in detail, no doubt about it. And no, I'm not gonna reflect my opinion on your ID which has its own bad sides. But I see that you want capships and you even say "no matter what shipline". Well, in my book that tells me you're impatient. Impatience leads to nowhere guys. Trying to force things around here, to have great desires is blocked by thousands of forum doors. If you, lets say, asked for one capship, that'd be understandable but you didn't even name the numbers. You just put those names of Mako and Bullhead like they're Kusari Explorers on a garage sale. And you're not even in good terms with Core if I understood correctly. So if you're in dire need of having capital ships, that means that majority of your members are pressuring you to get some more gank-toys. Why would anyone give it to them? To "role-play" as they did so far?

I think you don't really understand. We already have those capital ships. We are independent unofficial faction and we can do everything what we want now. Most of the time they just eat dust in Tau-23 anyway. Official factions have only limited power over unofficial ones, while the FR5 being the worst sanction possible. I dont' know whether Core attempted to FR5 EDGE or not. I think they have not, but even if they did i think the case would be 50/50 or even more favourable on our side. Not that FR5 could change anything. We just don't like the concept of the Guild Core (while having nothing against the players). Don't want to participate in this concept. And as long as server rules allow it we will roleplay as a splinter group of BHG/Core that has nothing against the Order, use BHG Core ID as Guard ID and fulfil a mission of fighting crime. What we want is to maintain the status quo upon receiving officialdom. Simply as that. We don't want anything more.


Post Scriptum

I am not responding from our shared account as all the feedback above is not really connected with the concept of a faction. Everything you said concerns the in-game behaviour. I pretty understand your motivations. However, what you say apply to every successful combat oriented faction. Exactly the same things can be found in every faction feedback, not to mention what people who were killed by RM, RHA, SCRA or CR say about their enemies. I reckon only two things worth mentioning (one thing that Joker said about Stuttgart engagement and one thing that was mentioned by Vito) that boils down to the one and the same thing. I am not going to divulge on this matter publicly until it is resolved, but it will be resolved and maybe even we will inform you about what we have done about it.