' Wrote:I agree on your perception: There is absolutly no point to argue our perception. Concerning your perception that we might believe to be always right I disagree.

I might admit that you probably do not have a chance for a different perception but even so you are crossing the border from facts to speculations. An important fact is that we stopped to care for your opinions after we had to see that you have were cowardly abandoning your own ideas for the questionable benefit of not being ganked.

' Wrote:So, after having supported your ideas for a long while you thought it would be a good idea to screw us, which is OKAY, in fact completely okay, but you should not believe that you have earned the sufficient respect to be considered serious about Zoner RP. The result is that we are merely ignoring OSI's opinion in matters of Zoner RP, which in return you might finally recognize as the reason why you are perceiving us wrongly, as those who believe they would always be right. We know we are not, but it would be insanely pointless to try convincing especially you.

' Wrote:The OSI RP is dominated by the attempt to satisfy the demands and/or needs of the Corsair NPC Faction, as we have seen clear indicators for this once more here in this thread, and it is actually nothing but a trader RP focused on Freeport access, so why are you still trying to convince everybody to play the broad scope of Zoner RP possibilities?

' Wrote:Also, please mind that none of our opinions here has to be right per se, neither ours, nor yours, but even then there is a solution by falling back to vanilla. Would you fail again by abandoning "Zoner brethren"? I bet you would because you are not ready to accept the Freeport NPC statements from vanilla, so if you do not like the mud we have collected from the remainders you have left just stop pretending you would care for the Zoner NPC Faction more than for the Corsair NPC Faction.

' Wrote:Back on topic, if you want to split the Zoner ID you would just damage the Zoner RP compared to vanilla further. But the Omicroners agree that you should have your own ID, even more if you are awsome in trades and making profits. According to the feedback of Blodo I would suggest you are taking the Core Worlds "Zoner" ID, but I would also expect it to be rephacked similarily to a House Corporation. In fact the OSI is being played like one, which would have a certain und perhaps undesirable impact on the Zoner RP as a whole: The House Zoners are moving back into the safety of the colonies.
The only thing I do not like about this solution is that the whole of the Zoners would be split up into four Zoner IDs because it is destroying the initial idea of a NPC faction being in between everywhere. Especially the lack of adaption is a very important setting of the Zoner RP. Taking away this RP motive is preverting the whole NPC Faction.

' Wrote:Lololololololol

' Wrote:Ingenuous.. do you have a Zoner char?

' Wrote:From what i see, the only reason such a split is wanted is your ridiculous and insipid attempts to hijack Zoner RP and diplomacy, make enemies and be a House unto yourself, riding roughshod over the other Zoner factions and ....ignoring their RP? That's an all new low, for all of Disco. I mean, Bretonia ignores it's H-fuel situation, Kusari it's need for base metals.....but .....yeah.

' Wrote:You need to clean out your eyes...

' Wrote:You need to clean out your eyes, as the Omicroners are not the ones pushing for this ID split, if anything they've been standing against such a thing.

' Wrote:he obviously is only trolling, i do not believe he is that stupid to not understand what is written here.

' Wrote:

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Addendum for n00bl3t: I daresay my assessment of the TAZ was premature. Given that at the time we'd been discussing it for a couple days and Yaoquizque was the only one to offer sentiments from the TAZ which went uncontradicted until yesterday, I assumed his comments represented the greater part of his faction. As I came to know later, that was not the case.

[6/30/2011 10:39:36 PM] Tristan - TAZ Representative: Oh and the reason that there are no TAZ viewpoints is that well, frankly I dont have issue with much of what is in the proposal. All I care about is if it would work for all of us and not just TAZ.

You need not play coy, however. You know exactly what I'm talking about in regards to infighting. You asked me to show respect toward your faction in the things I say on the forum - and I have with this thread been positively delightful - but I'd most certainly like to ask the same of you. This thread is not about airing our grievances about each other's players, it's about discussing and possibly eventually finding a solution to the ID issue that none of us thought about since we're so mired in the issues. As you've been so polite to remind me, we have feedback threads for this.

' Wrote:I do know, but I seriously thought there was no infighting with the proposal, so it caught me off guard.

' Wrote:Either way, I do not support the ID change. The Zoner and Zoner Guard ID should remain as is.

Having said that, I would fully support OSI-'s application for another ID. I am not saying you should become Freelancers or whatever else is being said, I am talking about a custom OSI- ID. (For which you define your own RP parameters with the developers and the Administrators.)

' Wrote:My only concern, or caution with this would be asking you not to use capital ships. Fearless and Juggernaut specifically, because the Conference makes RP sense as an escorting ship and the Corvo is quite open. I do see your role-play as more corporation-based, so I would not see the need for you to use this. (I believe I talked with someone who said you have no Fearlesses or Juggernauts anyway, so I do not think you mind. Please clarify if this is the case.)

' Wrote:Also, my apologies if this has been brought up before. I only read Gheis's response and responded because I was not interested in the flood of certain posts that I am sure I will find if I go through all the pages.