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Air Force/Navy Depate. - McNeo - 12-29-2011
I agree, Dab summarised it very well. Those are more or less exactly my thoughts on the matter.
To be honest, my view is that any kind of airforce would be consisted of spaceborne fighters equipped with different weaponry and support systems. The kind of difference you get between a C-130 aerial transport and a AC-130 combat gunship. It's a very good air-to-ground combat platform, but was originally designed as a transporter.
People seem to think that atmospheric craft would perform better in the air than the kind of space ships we already see in this game, simply by virtue of their specialisation. What few realise is that there is a performance ceiling to atmospheric craft that space craft, obviously, do not obey. Atmospheric craft generate lift by manipulating the air with wings, whereas spacecraft provide it by the much more brute force solution of using thrust. This means that, if you increase the power of the engines enough, you can increase performance without having to rely on the air as the means with which you maneuver. Of course, this doesn't take into account that humans cannot survive these kinds of G-forces, but when fighters are configured so that you can go from -150 m/s engine killing backwards to 200 m/s thrusting forwards in five seconds, which is an acceleration of 70 m/s/s (gravity on Earth results in a freefall acceleration of 9.8 m/s/s), humans cant survive the G-forces in current space combat either. FL has never taken any notice of physics or reality in this respect, but this doesn't give you or anybody else automatic leave to do the same.
Unless of course, we all agree that this is a relaxed RP server, in which case I do wonder why people complain about mutant characters with telepathy, or 18 year old fleet admirals, or furrys. In a relaxed RP server, those things are absolutely fine, as is the concept of LAF.
But of course, the current consensus is that this is not a relaxed RP server.
Air Force/Navy Depate. - dodike - 12-29-2011
Why not Liberty Space Force?
Air Force/Navy Depate. - Evan_ - 12-29-2011
To have another LSF? :)
For me it's easy to adapt that the word 'air' went trough some semantic changes during the decades. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the word 'naval' originally has to do something with water, that's as hard to find in space as air.
Air Force/Navy Depate. - McNeo - 12-29-2011
That is also a semantic argument. Navy does not mean sea, but Air means air.
Furthermore, there's also the word Aerospace in use that would mean exactly what you feel the changes could be in the terminology, except it exists already.
Air Force/Navy Depate. - Zynth - 12-29-2011
The idea of air force leads me to believe that most of you guys should be stationed around planets for planetary defense.
Perhaps your RP is that we have ships that are capable of space fights but we tend to patrol the area on the planet itself and in a small zone around it. Only leaving in case of emergencies.
That will limit your playing field, however, it would make more sense in role play wise.
Air Force/Navy Depate. - Ivan - 12-29-2011
I think Air Force uses heavier ships, suited for atmosphere flight, thus having different materials in hull. Purpose of Air Force is to respond to various outer treats quickly. Air Force is quite mobile and small, as should be ground forces (since 0 AS significance of non-space military branches is quite low, save for intelligence, perhaps).
Air Force should provide air superiority in case of foreign invasion, where space ships will be used. Space ships aren't suited for atmosphere fights, and can't really perform in air adequately. Space ship hull uses different combination of elements suited for higher temperatures and radiation, but not to air (collision?).
Of course there're some fighters which can easily go out of atmosphere, but I doubt in the future they'll stay with space and air superiority fighters in line. I don't really see them RP'd in the space.
Air Force/Navy Depate. - Pinko - 12-29-2011
' Wrote:Space ships aren't suited for atmosphere fights, and can't really perform in air adequately.
I'll point you at the Destruction of Sprague.
Air Force/Navy Depate. - Ivan - 12-29-2011
' Wrote:I'll point you at the Destruction of Sprague.While you're right, I'll remind you I didn't say space ships simply can't atmosphere. They can, but they're less efficient there then local Air Force.
Furthermore, Sprague isn't terraformed, I've got no idea what its atmosphere consists of.
Air Force/Navy Depate. - Hone - 12-29-2011
When you land on a planet, take a look at all the ships flying around. Do you see any special ones designed for air flight? No, they are all spaceships. This leads me to believe that spaceship technology has advanced so much that aircraft are obsolete, and spacecraft are used for air patrol too.
This makes sense because;
A: The destruction of Sprague.
and B: You cant kill a ship that can get into space in a few seconds, if yr flying one that has to stay in the atmosphere.
Air Force/Navy Depate. - Ivan - 12-29-2011
' Wrote:When you land on a planet, take a look at all the ships flying around. Do you see any special ones designed for air flight? No, they are all spaceships. This leads me to believe that spaceship technology has advanced so much that aircraft are obsolete, and spacecraft are used for air patrol too.Atmosphere doesn't consist of lone layer, it's hard to define its borders. Some fighters can fly up to space even nowadays.
This makes sense because;
A: The destruction of Sprague.
and B: You cant kill a ship that can get into space in a few seconds, if yr flying one that has to stay in the atmosphere.
But yeah, nice example about planet. However I doubt Microsoft guys would bother with models they're not paid for (taxi?...).:P