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Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:I agree, people can roleplay well if they have structure. You cannot play a role without first defining it. However, there are many visions of a role that fit within that definition. No individual or clique should have the power to bar another from playing roles that fit within the structure but are disliked, different, or portrayed by a person that is disliked or different. That does not produce good role play, that produces factionbots.
And the flip side of the argument is that without the ability to bar people from playing certain roles, said roles become warped and even internally contradictory. I would rather err on the side of restricted order.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:You're my new best friend Maelstrom.
The golden rule was that nobody can judge another's RP but the Admins.
It should stay that way.
Forever.
What diffrentiates an Admin from a Faction Leader? The level of screening.
Your argument is against the percieved lack of screening faction leaders recieved versus admins.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Maelstrom - 01-05-2012
Quote:The major cause of the amount of defecting battleships from the Liberty Navy is not a cause of the leadership of the [LN] faction, but a consequence of the desire of everybody to fight "against the machine" and to be the "underdog". This means that the [LN] gets punished by having people essentially beg to get FR5ed, so they can shoot us without consequence. This is their aim, no amount of talking will get them to change that, and shooting them is what they want in the first place.
How would you solve this?
This is simple. Doing this puts them outside the rules of discovery. A character's ID, equipment, and actions must match at all times. Report them and move on.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Camtheman - 01-05-2012
Quote:What diffrentiates an Admin from a Faction Leader? The level of screening.
Your argument is against the percieved lack of screening faction leaders recieved versus admins.
Screening?
No, A faction leader is one person. They choose to FR5...
And nobody says a thing but the person getting FR5'ed.
But the Admins operate in a council. A group of people = less biased than a single person.
At least that's the way I hope they operate when dealing with FR5's but probably not...
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:Screening?
No, A faction leader is one person. They choose to FR5...
And nobody says a thing but the person getting FR5'ed.
But the Admins operate in a council. A group of people = less biased than a single person.
At least that's the way I hope they operate when dealing with FR5's but probably not...
And groups of people are inefficient, and take time away from other endeavours.
I would be willing to leave FR5 as is if perhaps we introduced a roleplay submission requirement for new players.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Maelstrom - 01-05-2012
Quote:And the flip side of the argument is that without the ability to bar people from playing certain roles, said roles become warped and even internally contradictory. I would rather err on the side of restricted order.
I would like restricted order as well. However, I do not percieve removing checks and balances from people with power to be increasing order. Any system that provides further opportunity for abuse of power decreases the order and stability of that system.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:I would like restricted order as well. However, I do not percieve removing checks and balances from people with power to be increasing order. Any system that provides further opportunity for abuse of power decreases the power and stability of that system.
Then the problem of silly and surreal RP still remains, and how would you go about removing it?
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Camtheman - 01-05-2012
Quote:And groups of people are inefficient, and take time away from other endeavours.
I would be willing to leave FR5 as is if perhaps we introduced a roleplay submission requirement for new players.
You sound like a dictator.
So basically you're saying Congress or Parliament should be abolished? Merely because they're inefficient?
Heh.
Quorum is needed to form the basis of a free, unbaised as possible, society.
A lot of new players have never roleplayed before ( I surely hadn't when I came back in 4.82ish) and therefore they will obviously fail that.
Discovery taught me how to roleplay.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:You sound like a dictator.
So basically you're saying Congress or Parliament should be abolished? Merely because they're inefficient?
Heh.
Quorum is needed to form the basis of a free, unbaised as possible, society.
A lot of new players have never roleplayed before ( I surely hadn't when I came back in 4.82ish) and therefore they will obviously fail that.
Discovery taught me how to roleplay.
No, me saying Congress or Parliament should be abolished would entail me saying that faction leaders should be administrators and vice versa.
In fact, Parliaments exist precisely because ordinary people cannot be trusted to make critical decisions for the most part. What you call democracy, I call a democratic oligarchy.
And such a requirement would, however, mark those of potential versus lifelong lulwuts.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Camtheman - 01-05-2012
Quote:In fact, Parliaments exist precisely because ordinary people cannot be trusted to make critical decisions for the most part. What you call democracy, I call a democratic oligarchy.
And such a requirement would, however, mark those of potential versus lifelong lulwuts.
Heh, and Administrators exist because faction leaders cannot be trusted to remain unbaised and free of bigotry.
My logic is undeniable.
Otherwise, why would FR5's have to go through the admins at all?
I'm sure it could be FLhooked to be able to change other people's reps without having to go into Ioncross or whatever they're using now a days.