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"Defense of Leeds" - Jeremy Hunter - 08-20-2012
I hate Leeds.
I hate Leeds.
I hate Leeds.
I'd prefer to use my Valor fleet and ignite the atmosphere of the Planet. I really would. I'm personally sick of Leeds to the point I barely care. Because it's the same old thing.
So, I unfortunetely do not support this. I'd like the battlefield to expand into different systems.
Quick thoughts.
-Leeds Falls with T31.
-the Norfolk's fleet is reinforced by the MacDuff and Stirling fleets, leaving the Yamaguchi, Ark-Royal, and Grimbsy fleet in Newcastle
-Take the BS's in Leeds and pull them into New London. Have GRN holding both sides of the gate so NL herself is threatened, and we get a new battleground that's both unused and perfect for war.
-Take a Zephyr and throw it somewhere in Cambridge or Dublin. Molly's can help with that.
-Maybe add a Liberty Dreadnought (Like, the WHitefield or Alma or something that's unused) in Cambridge to support the Norfolk Great Fleet to show LN support?
Just some quick thoughts from me personally. This is from my view, not GRN|'s view.
Because I'm sick of that orange system. I really am.
"Defense of Leeds" - Dane Summers - 08-20-2012
' Wrote:-Take a Zephyr and throw it somewhere in Cambridge or Dublin. Molly's can help with that.
Id prefer a CR Zephyr somewhere on the front line, wherever that ends up being - I've already asked for such in the storyline submissions for .87.
Dublin could be an interesting alternative, but that may cause some pressure with CR\Molly\GRN relations.
Cambridge would cause no such issues, but its a little far out for my tastes - plus, it might open up new issues with the Corsairs (which we have no interest in fighting)
"Defense of Leeds" - Lonely_Ghost - 08-20-2012
' Wrote:I hate Leeds.
I hate Leeds.
I hate Leeds.
I'd prefer to use my Valor fleet and ignite the atmosphere of the Planet. I really would. I'm personally sick of Leeds to the point I barely care. Because it's the same old thing.
So, I unfortunetely do not support this. I'd like the battlefield to expand into different systems.
Quick thoughts.
-Leeds Falls with T31.
-the Norfolk's fleet is reinforced by the MacDuff and Stirling fleets, leaving the Yamaguchi, Ark-Royal, and Grimbsy fleet in Newcastle
-Take the BS's in Leeds and pull them into New London. Have GRN holding both sides of the gate so NL herself is threatened, and we get a new battleground that's both unused and perfect for war.
-Take a Zephyr and throw it somewhere in Cambridge or Dublin. Molly's can help with that.
-Maybe add a Liberty Dreadnought (Like, the WHitefield or Alma or something that's unused) in Cambridge to support the Norfolk Great Fleet to show LN support?
Just some quick thoughts from me personally. This is from my view, not GRN|'s view.
Because I'm sick of that orange system. I really am.
Having such military might like 500 Valors against...even 50 BBS' why Gallia wont fight in blitzkreig against Bretonia and take over New London already in this version? :D
Quote:-Maybe add a Liberty Dreadnought (Like, the WHitefield or Alma or something that's unused) in Cambridge to support the Norfolk Great Fleet to show LN support?
Even if GRN would fight Drunk and lose 100 of Valors for taking New London, and Bretonia wont lose a single destroyer, Bret. still having no chance then, even with 10 LN Dreadnoughts arrived to help.
For Liberty, its better to accumulate forces inside, than throwing into pointless help.
"Defense of Leeds" - Aingar - 08-20-2012
Problem with GRN is that they are not in a hurry, brets ships are almost falling apart due to lack of maintenance and scarce resources, LN and RM are weakening each other every day, kusari is defeated already, and Edinburgh fleet is still not in it's fullest potential, reinforcements are still pouring from gallia.
Devs will have one hell of a nut to crack to make something that makes sense, without making this second Omega-5.
"Defense of Leeds" - Govedo13 - 08-20-2012
It is funny discussion but it is not like someone cares since none of the participants have the power to decide.:lol:
"Defense of Leeds" - Aingar - 08-20-2012
Still, friday might trip over this thread and read some stuff:P
"Defense of Leeds" - Zynth - 08-20-2012
' Wrote:Having such military might like 500 Valors against...even 50 BBS' why Gallia wont fight in blitzkreig against Bretonia and take over New London already in this version? :D
Actually, yes.
Why not.
Well, I disagree with the New London point, but why doesn't Gallia blitz?
Let's just get Gallia to jump in all its fleets into one concentrated force and perform a pincer movement from Edinburgh and Tau-31 and converge upon Leeds.
Basically, blow the heck out of all Bretonian forces whilst sustaining heavy losses.
Tactically, it might make sense seeing as Leeds is an industrial planet that can supply metal and resources to build stuff such as weapons and ships. Might as well try to cut the enemy down a planet.
From there, the Gallics can hold Leeds and isolate the Grimsby and Exiles fleet at Newcastle, effectively cutting out supply lines. Meaning sooner or later, Newcastle will fall as well and Bretonia loses Scarborough, an alloy manufacturer. With its main industrial planet and a large alloy manufacturer down and out, Bretonia's gonna lose quite a bit of resources. Gallia will profit from that.
If that is the new setup, then Leeds will fall to the Gallics. New London gate's side will have to be heavily fortified. Maybe Durham will be converted into a fortress.
"Defense of Leeds" - FallenKnight - 08-20-2012
' Wrote:Having such military might like 500 Valors against...even 50 BBS' why Gallia wont fight in blitzkreig against Bretonia and take over New London already in this version? :DI dont want to be sarcastic but have you read the "bretonia in 818" lore? Here some comparison with true numbers:
-The Armed Forces have barely 30 battleships remaining in their possession along with under 500 destroyers and gunboats, and some 70,000 fighters and bombers. Space Volunteer Corps of over 20,000 civilian fighters has been formed to supplement the regular BAF as auxiliaries to defend their homeland.
-Ronin, are small in numbers, comprising some 5 battleships, 10 Destroyers and 25 Gunboats and a handful of fighter and bomber wings (~2k?)
-Against them, Gallia has well over 150 battleships, nearly 2,000 smaller capital ships, and 125,000 strike craft in Tau systems and Edinburgh alone, with more reinforcements still coming through Orkney
- Point: We dont know the lore numbers of the Liberty forces sent to reinforce Bretonia as well as other factions and groups like the outcasts, the coalition, colonial republic and bounty hunters.
The above does not state for 500 valors but 150 and probably more but who knows? Maybe 20 or 50 more? Why do you think they need to bring 150 more valors? Who will guard Gallia then? If they have that many ships why are the devs making Gallia using "cheat" for resources which would be unlimited? (and etc interesting questions)
Lets not forget in Gallia there is a civil war which is not something meaningless to close your eyes for. A single mistake may lead to new King:)
' Wrote:Because I'm sick of that orange system. I really am.In 4.85 I was sick of Dublin...and a little of Leeds. In 4.86 we fight again in leeds...we are more sick of that...BUT...we are far from the "its booring lets give it away". Do you get our point now? We dont want our system to fall especially if we belive there is a chance to save it and yes there is.
Even if we lose 3 fleets just to damage 40% of the GRN forces it will mean something for us. Even if we lose Leeds and all 5 or 6 fleets sent there but to destroy 65% of the GRN forces will be victory for us...because we know Liberty wont leave us and they are far more powerful than Gallia. Their resources are so great that they can fight Kusari now...there were rumors of Liberty engaging Kusari and Joe said its ok...
Even in the worst scenario if GRN ever arrive in New london then every young and old member of the population all over Bretonia will rise for a National war movement which can bring..really really a lot of ships in space.
Bretonia wont give up that easily because we have nothing to lose for which we already lost it - our freedom. We will fight with all our strength to restore it.
"Defense of Leeds" - Aingar - 08-20-2012
About the last part Fallen, last I heard BAF has a lot of pilots and crew, but the lack of ships is limiting their strenght.
"Defense of Leeds" - Rodent - 08-20-2012
' Wrote:I dont want to be sarcastic but have you read the "bretonia in 818" lore? Here some comparison with true numbers:
-The Armed Forces have barely 30 battleships remaining in their possession along with under 500 destroyers and gunboats, and some 70,000 fighters and bombers. Space Volunteer Corps of over 20,000 civilian fighters has been formed to supplement the regular BAF as auxiliaries to defend their homeland.
-Ronin, are small in numbers, comprising some 5 battleships, 10 Destroyers and 25 Gunboats and a handful of fighter and bomber wings (~2k?)
-Against them, Gallia has well over 150 battleships, nearly 2,000 smaller capital ships, and 125,000 strike craft in Tau systems and Edinburgh alone, with more reinforcements still coming through Orkney
- Point: We dont know the lore numbers of the Liberty forces sent to reinforce Bretonia as well as other factions and groups like the outcasts, the coalition, colonial republic and bounty hunters.
The above does not state for 500 valors but 150 and probably more but who knows? Maybe 20 or 50 more? Why do you think they need to bring 150 more valors? Who will guard Gallia then? If they have that many ships why are the devs making Gallia using "cheat" for resources which would be unlimited? (and etc interesting questions)
Lets not forget in Gallia there is a civil war which is not something meaningless to close your eyes for. A single mistake may lead to new King:)
In 4.85 I was sick of Dublin...and a little of Leeds. In 4.86 we fight again in leeds...we are more sick of that...BUT...we are far from the "its booring lets give it away". Do you get our point now? We dont want our system to fall especially if we belive there is a chance to save it and yes there is.
Even if we lose 3 fleets just to damage 40% of the GRN forces it will mean something for us. Even if we lose Leeds and all 5 or 6 fleets sent there but to destroy 65% of the GRN forces will be victory for us...because we know Liberty wont leave us and they are far more powerful than Gallia. Their resources are so great that they can fight Kusari now...there were rumors of Liberty engaging Kusari and Joe said its ok...
Even in the worst scenario if GRN ever arrive in New london then every young and old member of the population all over Bretonia will rise for a National war movement which can bring..really really a lot of ships in space.
Bretonia wont give up that easily because we have nothing to lose for which we already lost it - our freedom. We will fight with all our strength to restore it.
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You're suffering from faction obsession. Think clearly for a few minutes.
a) Bretonia *has* to lose. They have no chance of final victory. none, nada.
b)Leeds has been the bretonian battleground for...what, 3-4 years? It's way overdue for a change. Fight in New London.
c)It'll be better for your own playerbase in the long run as well. Generates interest, and even the losing side can generate interesting RP. See Order and Toledo. The short of it is, don't equate yourself as a player with the faction and what goes on in it. That happens way too often and the reason why arguments happen.