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RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Coin - 02-28-2014
so, apparently this change is happening, regardless of the communities standpoint on it. Was nice shooting you zoners, I'll miss you.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Enkidu - 02-28-2014
(02-28-2014, 09:59 AM)Coin Wrote: so, apparently this change is happening, regardless of the communities standpoint on it. Was nice shooting you zoners, I'll miss you.
Well yes.
This is the biggest load of Machiavellian nonsensicalist crud I have seen within the history of me being in any freelancer modification out there since 2006.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Kazinsal - 02-28-2014
(02-28-2014, 08:10 AM)Trogdor Wrote: Indicative of an actual problem with the Zoners that should be addressed. We need an official faction that actually looks out for the overall wellbeing of the Zoners. What we have right now would be like if IC and the Junkers were the official factions of the Liberty Navy. TAZ and OSI only tend to their own roleplay (as they should) but this leaves a vaccuum.
This is indeed a serious problem. I am considering putting together half a billion credits to rectify this.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Enkidu - 02-28-2014
(02-28-2014, 10:43 AM)Kazinsal Wrote:(02-28-2014, 08:10 AM)Trogdor Wrote: Indicative of an actual problem with the Zoners that should be addressed. We need an official faction that actually looks out for the overall wellbeing of the Zoners. What we have right now would be like if IC and the Junkers were the official factions of the Liberty Navy. TAZ and OSI only tend to their own roleplay (as they should) but this leaves a vaccuum.
This is indeed a serious problem. I am considering putting together half a billion credits to rectify this.
There is no complete "Zoner faction" (as of yet)- only a collection of disparate groups looking after their own interests. The Rp is designed to evolve in any direction, not just the singular, and the fun arises when the two (or more) sides of the same coin start pulling in opposing directions.
Edit: Please leave the Zoners as-is.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Coin - 02-28-2014
(02-28-2014, 03:35 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: 1. Unfair? Possibly. Realistic? Yes.perhaps you may wish to reconsider the wisdom of your actions. realistic doesn't necessarily mean apposite
(02-28-2014, 03:35 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: 2. Presumably, if a faction as large and as powerful as the Outcasts have one of a ship type (which they do), and they are able to build and support a fleet of warships, then they are able to reverse engineer it or at least its hull structure -- the latter is all I had asked for (the Raiders have many specimens to kitbash together on paper and then send off to Aquila Defense Systems to make it happen). And I'm actually quite insulted by the insinuation that I'm exhibiting tendencies alike BULLDOGNK.so you are unaware of how you are presenting your decision, coming so closely on the heels of the unfortunate attempt by the zoners to control access to the corvo? It matters not what one's own intent is, but what society's interpretation of their intent is. we are measured in the eyes of others, not by our own yardsticks.
(02-28-2014, 03:35 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: 3. They are heard. Whether or not the dev team agrees with their stance is not the same as whether or not I agree with their stance.
(02-28-2014, 03:35 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: 4. This change is not a "you are wrong, we are right, render unto Caesar" but rather a "listen, this whole issue is because of a mistake made several years ago and nothing has come up to keep things going as they are, so we're reverting some questionable decisions."so why the urgency of the change? jinx wants the model back? or you want the ship?
(02-28-2014, 03:35 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: Do you remember when the Aquilon wasn't a Zoner capital ship, and then it became one because Igiss thought for some reason it would be a good idea, but no lore was made to justify it? We do.this i could care less about. i don't fly caps, and have never been interested in not having enemies, so a ship that i've never owned being turned into a cap for reasons of gameplay didn't affect me. So, you say that this wasn't a good decision, and was soo terrible it needs retconning? I wonder what a certain employee at Glumobile thinks about this, after all, he is now a professional gamedesigner.
but it seems that you have decided that as today is friday, the zoners are losing their caps. There are none so blind as those who will not see, and none so deaf as those who will not hear. I'm glad that you have engaged me in this dialogue. I have tried to point out the errors in your extrapolation of the consequences of your actions, and you have erroneously interpreted these as a personal vendetta, and found insult where none was intended. I hope that in the future you will be able to reflect on this and say 'darn, i wish I'd put out a thread that outlined the problem, invited suggestions, and then picked the suggestion that was most applicable to the future direction of the mod, just like they do on the radio when they want to call in for a song request - they already have the play-list they want to play - and that way garrett would not have been drowning'
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Highland Laddie - 02-28-2014
Quote:There is no complete "Zoner faction" (as of yet)- only a collection of disparate groups looking after their own interests. The Rp is designed to evolve in any direction, not just the singular, and the fun arises when the two (or more) sides of the same coin start pulling in opposing directions.
If this were true, then everybody should love and praise the ZA for bringing more "fun" to the Zoner faction. But that isn't the case. Hmm....
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - sindroms - 02-28-2014
Eh, I just realized something, guys.
Zoners cannot support battleships, right?
We give them 3 new types of transport.
They turn out to become a massive outer-house trading empire.
It becomes OORP for them NOT to have battleships with that wealth.
Wat.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Highland Laddie - 02-28-2014
Depends on how much actual wealth they can accumulate by trading with others "on the fringe." Those fringe dwellers don't necessarily have the same amount of cash that the Houses do, nor the populations. So, they're not going to be buying as much.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Savas - 02-28-2014
Congratulations! This thread has just passed 50 pages.
Now close it pls, pissing matches get old quickly.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Eduard - 02-28-2014
(02-28-2014, 10:43 AM)Kazinsal Wrote:(02-28-2014, 08:10 AM)Trogdor Wrote: Indicative of an actual problem with the Zoners that should be addressed. We need an official faction that actually looks out for the overall wellbeing of the Zoners. What we have right now would be like if IC and the Junkers were the official factions of the Liberty Navy. TAZ and OSI only tend to their own roleplay (as they should) but this leaves a vaccuum.
This is indeed a serious problem. I am considering putting together half a billion credits to rectify this.
A certain zoner faction wanted to fill this empty void.
Didn't work good for it.