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The future of mining? - Tomtomrawr - 03-03-2011
Avalanche. Some points to make in response to your post, starting with the statement "I don't want it back because it's done more bad things than good":
It's created new hubs of activity for players to gather and interact with others. As you said, "they can instead now move to the other 131 systems in Discovery", but there are suppose to be hubs of players to congregate for a purpose. Like New York is a hub of players as well. There need to be places where people can have an excuse to gather because then there'll be about two players in every system and no interaction will get done.
Present your evidence for this. Show us what bad things have been caused by the mining mod that justify it to be removed. I can guarantee there have been at least five times more reports about the "player behaviour problems" that capital ships cause, and yet they're not being removed.
Now a response to "Okay so a few factions will face hard times ahead...":
Are you serious? Hard times? They're going to be wiped out. As Hawk said, the only two operations of the Junker Congress that people don't complain about are scrap metal mining and hauling. They're gone. Why would people join factions like BMM, Kruger, Daumann, IMG, and GMS when their entire unique purpose is gone. What'd be the difference between joining BMM and joining Bowex? Between joining GMS and EFL? Kruger/Daumann and Republican Shipping? Absolutely squat all.
It's more than "hard times". But you wouldn't know, because you're not affected by any of this. How about we fiddle with the operations of MND? They're no longer allowed to perform espionage operations. Would you be pissed off for losing the one thing that makes MND unique compared to RM? There could be more, but let's have those removed as well.
Next, "The battleships were originally... the server will be better":
Nothing will be changed by the removal of the mining mod. Because the lolwuts are completely determined to purchase capital ships, they'll still get them. You're merely delaying the inevitable, and hindering a lot of people. I don't have time to do boring trading and get in my role-play. I rarely get to say more than "Top of the morning!" when trading. I needed to combine the two, which is why I made a BMM Basalt and went to Dublin. And I had some great fun there, and also made money to fund my other characters.
The capital ship problem will not be solved by this. What should be done is to put limitations on who can purchase capital ships. A point between free access and SRP. To prove people can role-play, speak English to a sufficient standard and understand the rules. But that's a discussion for another day.
I am utterly sick of your pathetic, bullcrap arguments. Support your claims with evidence. And the Admins should as well.
I was reminded of somebody when observing all of this. Tenacity. And I went to his profile and I found what I knew he had written. Here is a copy:
Quote:@ The Admin Team:
Dont try to fool the community by claiming 'fair votes' and acting like a democracy - you completely disregard the opinions or comments of everyone in this community so long as it serves your own ends. There are no checks and balances, Admins here do whatever the hell they want - the sad part is that nobody else would stand against it, and those who do are forced out of this place.
And he's right. If he logged back in today and saw this thread, he'd be smiling a smug grin and feeling a great sense of satisfaction for knowing that he was right. The Admins are ruling by decree. Dieter's "calculations" are a load of bollocks because over half of the people in the poll voted for the return of the mining mod without any changes. Majority rule is what should prevail in a democracy. If it doesn't, then this is a dictatorship.
The future of mining? - Sanguines - 03-03-2011
' Wrote:Huh?
Pirates don't like to wait for all the lawfuls you called via private channel.
This is the way to do it.
First, comply with the demand, give me all your CDs and if the location is remote enough I might stick for a chat.
And you're sayign that from an official faction. I am glad you admitted you use /pm to cops located in new york when you are in lets say, california, or megallon, or bering, or anywhere where no cops are currently so you try to stall time...
No fun in that...
@Bloodl1ke: And thats when you didnt pull them out, or CDed them yet, so you dont really stand point as well..
Every trader would flee upon seeing a known pirate on scanner, but once you have it stopped, and the trader actually can rp *cough* dodlike *cough*, and not just ask tax inmediatly or you die, you might actually get an rp going on...
Pirate: 1 mil or die!
Dodlike: Here you go
pirate lets dodlike go....
And thats how it goes with most pirates.
TBH... What has this got to do with miners? Nothing. Piracy like that is one of the biggers in rp problems (without any effert and only type 2 lines, wait for another trader ..).
Again, There other solutions, but people ignore those,
The future of mining? - dodike - 03-03-2011
' Wrote:And you're sayign that from an official faction. I am glad you admitted you use /pm to cops located in new york when you are in lets say, california, or megallon, or bering, or anywhere where no cops are currently so you try to stall time...Of course I silently call the cops. I once served Sanguinetti on a plate to the [LN]-Gold wing, it was good fun. I bet he enjoyed it too.
No fun in that...
@Bloodl1ke: And thats when you didnt pull them out, or CDed them yet, so you dont really stand point as well..
Every trader would flee upon seeing a known pirate on scanner, but once you have it stopped, and the trader actually can rp *cough* dodlike *cough*, and not just ask tax inmediatly or you die, you might actually get an rp going on...
Pirate: 1 mil or die!
Dodlike: Here you go
pirate lets dodlike go....
And thats how it goes with most pirates.
TBH... What has this got to do with miners? Nothing. Piracy like that is one of the biggers in rp problems (without any effert and only type 2 lines, wait for another trader ..).
Again, There other solutions, but people ignore those,
That's why the robbers ask for money first. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?
RP means roleplaying. Playing the role. What would you do if you tried to rob someone on a busy street? Talk for an hour? No. You grab the valet and run.
The future of mining? - Jack_Henderson - 03-03-2011
Hey, it's not even necessary to call the cops.
It is prime time here. I flew arounf for 45 minutes. I met less than 10 players, none hostile, none chatting more than 2 replies and the most interesting part was shooting a NPC gunboat.
No pirate threat, really out there.
People run somewhere, fly their routes and no pirate ever can be there where they are at the moment.
So... nothing happens. Great. It's as boring as it can get.
Serious question: Give me a dangerous route that promises interresting interaction. I have flown a few now and there was NOTHING. I'll gladly spend 10 millions on pirates... but therefore I'd have to find one!!!
To all those who said: trading is so much more roleplay... sorry. Are we playing the same game?!
The future of mining? - ryoken - 03-03-2011
' Wrote:@Sang
It's nice to RP when you know your target starts cruising to the base 25K ahead the moment you're 14K on the scanners (Because you obviously are red on HUD with your corsair IFF). If they stop, I'd talk, if they keep trying to make for it, they'll be gunned down. Capishe?
You want RP. That is RP. In real life you see a guy running towards you with a masc,and a gun you do not sit around,and wait for him. YOU RUN!!!
' Wrote:Huh?
Pirates don't like to wait for all the lawfuls you called via private channel.
This is the way to do it.
First, comply with the demand, give me all your CDs and if the location is remote enough I might stick for a chat.
Exactly. You do not want to RP,you want to get money/blue message,and run away. Be a shame if you had to take time to get money like the trader/miner did.
' Wrote:Mining is bad.
Why do you think people have that much battleships? And they don't even do any RP with it.
LEAVE IT OFF YOU'RE NOT HELPING THE PVP/RP RATIO
I got a BS,but i did not get it mining. I got mine trading,and doing missions. I started mining only in last few month's,and found alot more RP their then i ever did trading. Also since mining i have not gone and purchased anymore BS's. I have bought 1 desi from a player,and made 4 more fighters,but no BS's. Not everyone wants a fleet of BS's. Also in the 4+ year's i played here, i have not once purchased a Cap8 armour. I find it a waste of money,and a PvP item only use.
So not all people who mine want a cap8 BS. But from what i see here. All pirates want it to be easy to rob miners,and traders instead of taking time to earn creds on their own. Very interesting.
The future of mining? - Swallow - 03-03-2011
Ugh, I am missing miners lolwuts in Dublin.
At least there was fun, cause to protect miners there was armed forces, hunters, to pirate them-mollies, indies and sairs, and so so on.
Dislike lolwuts? Come and shoot em. But we need them like an air...
The future of mining? - jxie93 - 03-03-2011
' Wrote:Dislike lolwuts? Come and shoot em. But we need them like an air...
You honestly didn't just say we need lolwuts.
May I refer you to the nature of our server?
The future of mining? - dodike - 03-03-2011
' Wrote:Exactly. You do not want to RP,you want to get money/blue message,and run away.Of course I want to get the money fast and run away. I'm a pirate. I want to get my money and see another day.
Conclusion: I don't know what roleplay is anymore. It seems I'm doing it wrong.
' Wrote:Be a shame if you had to take time to get money like the trader/miner did.There is much more to it. The trader sees the few minutes when he is being pirated. But the job involves much more. Tracking the prey, evading patrols, the actual piracy, getting to safety.
The fact that the trader doesn't see it all doesn't mean that I don't work for my money as hard as he does.
Damn, I worked harder than some of the miners.
The future of mining? - Rommie - 03-03-2011
' Wrote:Ugh, I am missing miners lolwuts in Dublin.'Lolwuts' are everywhere. You turn them off in one place (Dublin) and they will turn up somewhere else.
At least there was fun, cause to protect miners there was armed forces, hunters, to pirate them-mollies, indies and sairs, and so so on.
Dislike lolwuts? Come and shoot em. But we need them like an air...
Also, I've seen in Tau today the first smuggler in the last 3 months.
I am really happy.
The future of mining? - Swallow - 03-03-2011
Well all my examples are based on Dublin, cause it is my primary system of operation.
And yes, lolwuts, its a bit rough (sorry).
Well lets say miners. We need them like an air.
And switching off mining, is not a way to solve problems, nerf mining, make it as profitable as trading, and here is the balance.
Well thats only my opinion.
Also, what sense discussing this problem? Its useless talk, and id like to see what the moderators can tell us.
(Is here any?)