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RE: Are there black people in the future? - Lonely Werewolf - 09-04-2013
And what makes you think that people in freelancer are outdoors any less than on Earth? There are lots of outdoor activities that many people would do all day and hell there is still farming, which seems such a big factor in your equation, even if more advanced. The climate would be a bigger factor I'd argue anyways.
Calmodulin gave a good answer. You might want to refer to that, case closed in my opinion. Not to mention this is a stupid topic to begin with, your really going to generalise the whole of Sirius in terms of their daily outdoor activity, while not considering the vast range of planetary climates, not to mention the science behind skin pigmentation?
RE: Are there black people in the future? - Crackpunch - 09-04-2013
(09-04-2013, 10:39 AM)Lonely Werewolf Wrote: And what makes you think that people in freelancer are outdoors any less than on Earth? There are lots of outdoor activities that many people would do all day and hell there is still farming, which seems such a big factor in your equation, even if more advanced. The climate would be a bigger factor I'd argue anyways.
Because being in space.
(09-04-2013, 10:39 AM)Lonely Werewolf Wrote: Calmodulin gave a good answer. You might want to refer to that, case closed in my opinion. Not to mention this is a stupid topic to begin with, your really going to generalise the whole of Sirius in terms of their daily outdoor activity, while not considering the vast range of planetary climates, not to mention the science behind skin pigmentation?
Go on, explain the science behind skin pigmentation.
edit: If you think the topic is case closed, why post in the thread?
RE: Are there black people in the future? - Lonely Werewolf - 09-04-2013
(09-04-2013, 10:45 AM)Crackpunch Wrote: Because being in space.
And you think that the majority of the billions of people inhabiting Sirius, spend the majority of their time in space?
(09-04-2013, 10:45 AM)Crackpunch Wrote: Go on, explain the science behind skin pigmentation.
The main point was your massive generalisation, but nevermind. As I said Calmodulin gave a pretty good explanation of the relevant parts. The main part being, why would it be an evolutionary advantage which increases your chances of producing fertile offspring to have paler skin at this "modern" day in age?
For example due to vitamin D deficiencies there are supplements you can take et cetra. But of course that doesn't matter as mankind is so advanced that people who are "inferior" in terms of fitness et cetra can still easily have a family and pass on their genes. Today even, there is extremely little selective pressure among people in the western world. Not that that is the case everywhere, for example looking at North Africa and the prevalence of Sickle-Cell Anaemia.
The lack of selection pressure in todays society is a key hypothesis in the increasing prevalence of many genetic orders and other conditions, such as allergies. People who would in the past been at a significant disadvantage now don't face the same problem and so are far more likely to have children and pass on their genes. In this way such disorders or undesirable characteristics are actually more likely to increase in the general population. Leading to a genetically less healthy population.
This comes back to the OP on skin pigmentation, because even if it is less advantageous in the freelancer universe (which you've still not convinced me of) that in itself will not lead to it becoming any less prevalent.
(09-04-2013, 10:45 AM)Crackpunch Wrote: edit: If you think the topic is case closed, why post in the thread?
And I posted here, because although I think that the topic is closed, with the necessary cases having already been put forward, other people such as yourself didn't think so, as continued to debate the topic. alternatively you may have missed that post, hence why I highlighted it.
RE: Are there black people in the future? - oZoneRanger - 09-04-2013
(09-04-2013, 09:30 AM)Crackpunch Wrote:(09-04-2013, 08:53 AM)oZoneRanger Wrote: You missed the point. I found your original post offensive. To equate the lack of farming in space with a lack of a specific race of human being in the future goes overboard. In reference to the Game Freelancer....who knows why the continent of Africa is not represented, but I doubt it is beause of a lack or "Farming" or "Agricultural" activities. It is a Trollers topic tucked into the general discussion section, posted in a way and making references that aim to harvest a reaction.
Did you even read my initial post?
I chose farming as the main point because for thousands of years it has been one of the most common things to do outdoors.
edit: and ffs, they're called trolls.
The Title of your Thread..
Are there black people in the future?
change it to....
Is vitamine D deficeincy due to a lack of sunlight a problem in the future?
and there would be no problems....Both questions have nothing to do with gameplay on Discovery. The topic is for your own amusment.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troller
RE: Are there black people in the future? - Altejago - 09-04-2013
Of course there are no black people in space.
It would be just like the judges.
Only instead of loitering outside busy parts of town demanding your attention....
No wait, that's exactly what they'd do.
The Judges are black?
RE: Are there black people in the future? - Lythrilux - 09-04-2013
It's a conspiracy!
RE: Are there black people in the future? - Crackpunch - 09-04-2013
(09-04-2013, 11:03 AM)Lonely Werewolf Wrote: And you think that the majority of the billions of people inhabiting Sirius, spend the majority of their time in space?
Well the ones that we happen to see in freelancer are almost always pilots. Space however is not the only place one can go to avoid sunlight. Just look at gamers.
(09-04-2013, 11:03 AM)Lonely Werewolf Wrote: The main point was your massive generalisation, but nevermind. As I said Calmodulin gave a pretty good explanation of the relevant parts. The main part being, why would it be an evolutionary advantage which increases your chances of producing fertile offspring to have paler skin at this "modern" day in age?
For example due to vitamin D deficiencies there are supplements you can take et cetra. But of course that doesn't matter as mankind is so advanced that people who are "inferior" in terms of fitness et cetra can still easily have a family and pass on their genes. Today even, there is extremely little selective pressure among people in the western world. Not that that is the case everywhere, for example looking at North Africa and the prevalence of Sickle-Cell Anaemia.
The lack of selection pressure in todays society is a key hypothesis in the increasing prevalence of many genetic orders and other conditions, such as allergies. People who would in the past been at a significant disadvantage now don't face the same problem and so are far more likely to have children and pass on their genes. In this way such disorders or undesirable characteristics are actually more likely to increase in the general population. Leading to a genetically less healthy population.
If your supply runs out, or you cannot afford your supplements, you have a problem. Not everyone in freelancer has access to top level healthcare.
(09-04-2013, 11:03 AM)Lonely Werewolf Wrote: This comes back to the OP on skin pigmentation, because even if it is less advantageous in the freelancer universe (which you've still not convinced me of) that in itself will not lead to it becoming any less prevalent.
I wouldn't consider it an advantage, except for maybe Malta, where slaves harvest cardamine (this being the exception regarding farming). I suppose the people of the hispania would maintain their darker complexion.
RE: Are there black people in the future? - Lonely Werewolf - 09-04-2013
(09-04-2013, 12:09 PM)Crackpunch Wrote: Well the ones that we happen to see in freelancer are almost always pilots. Space however is not the only place one can go to avoid sunlight. Just look at gamers.
I'm afraid this is starting to get increasingly ridiculous. Gamers? All gamers I know do still get a decent enough amount of sunlight. The percentage of the population as a whole who are gamers that are so reclusive and barely see sunlight must be tiny.
And yes ok sure, that is just one example, you mean there are many possible professions and all these added up could equal lots of people barely getting any strong sunlight? Well that is still extremely unlikely. I don't believe that a significant percentage of people in Sirius don't have any free time and avoid sunlight in it's entirety. I believe that it takes just 30 minutes of sunlight a day to maintain your current melanin levels in your skin, however I might be mistaken. There are many many factors in skin pigmentation anyways, not just melanin.
So in conclusion, you are saying that it is very likely that a significant percentage of the population in Sirius who largly avoid strong sunlight in the warmer climates and they all interbreed with each other (I wonder how many super hardcore gamers that avoid sunlight actually do meet women and have children if they maintain it for their whole lives) and only each other and have lived this way for thousands of years. However in this underground society, they also lack the appropriate healthcare et cetra, which creates a strong sexual selective pressure for those who are able to survive such conditions, where skin pigmentation is key as it's effects on protein synthesis is the key difference between life and death, before you can have children and pass on your genes.
If such a community exists in Sirius, you could well be right, however I doubt it. I'm not sure in even the least advanced and most isolated communities in Sirius, they are at the level as cavemen.
(09-04-2013, 12:09 PM)Crackpunch Wrote: If your supply runs out, or you cannot afford your supplements, you have a problem. Not everyone in freelancer has access to top level healthcare.
No not everyone does have top level healthcare. But for extra melanin production to be such a disadvantage to your health that you are less likely to reproduce that people with less melanin production would be rare. And also even if many people didn't have said supplements, that doesn't matter! Sure it might for that individual person and their genes, however as long as there are sufficient people in the population whom share the same genetic code and do have the necessary healthcare, then they can pass on their genes.
You would need the vast majority of all black people across Sirius to be without these supplements AND for the majority to receive little sunlight AND for this situation to stay for thousands of years.
(09-04-2013, 12:09 PM)Crackpunch Wrote: I wouldn't consider it an advantage, except for maybe Malta, where slaves harvest cardamine (this being the exception regarding farming). I suppose the people of the hispania would maintain their darker complexion.
This I think is part of your misunderstanding, darker skin tone does not need to be advantageous for it to stay. But it might disappear if it is disadvantageous! Does that make sense? Dark skin tone is currently a pre-existing condition and yes it may not be advantageous, except for malta, kusari etc. But those places have environmental factors which would drive the likelihood of being black up (assuming they are warm climates etc, If you spend all your life farming in a cold climate with poor UV-radiation, that does little for your tan). However that does not mean that other places, where there is no advantage (if it really is, in this day of science) darker skin tone will decrease. As there is no pressure for the trait to disappear.
Here's an analogy for you: In the artic circle, Artic Hairs have a white coat do aid in camouflage. Now lets for argument sake say that it takes extra energy to make a white coat. Now if some Artic hairs migrated or were moved to a new habitat, where there isn't any snow and there is no predators. Their coat no longer gives them any advantage. But the producing the coat is still a drain on their energy reserves, so you might predict that over thousands of years, they lose the white colouring of their coat. However if they are in an environment where resources are a plenty and they can very easily get all the food that they require, then energy isn't a problem. And so there is no selective pressure to lose the coat colourings.
There could be mutations by chance which occur in the population which give said Hairs a different colour, which could spread throughout. But that is down to chance and it could possibly go the other way, whereby a Brown Hair has a mutation and now appears white.
RE: Are there black people in the future? - Cælumaresh - 09-04-2013
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RE: Are there black people in the future? - Crackpunch - 09-04-2013
(09-04-2013, 12:51 PM)Lonely Werewolf Wrote: This I think is part of your misunderstanding, darker skin tone does not need to be advantageous for it to stay. But it might disappear if it is disadvantageous! Does that make sense?
I understand evolution.
If darker skin requires additional maintenance over lighter skin, then yes it is disadvantageous. It may not be much of a problem for some, but it would have some sort of impact.
To clarify, this thread is not me saying "THERE ARE NO dark skinned people because of a less sunlight filled future" but in fact "WOULD THERE BE dark skinned people because of a less sunlight filled future." I tend to play devil's advocate and people often misunderstand.
@ The_Lost, you've misunderstood this thread. I'm not asking "Are there black people in freelancer?", I'm asking what I mentioned in the previous paragraph.