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Thank you for your invaluable input... - Erythnul - 08-24-2008
' Wrote:My point remains. If you don't care about the community, you don't care about everybody else around you.
I find this really troubling coming from an Admiral in the LN. You should care more than your average members if anything. You're a leader, you're supposed to interact with the rest of us.
Right now, you're acting like a paranoid schizophrenic who is rocking in a corner biting anybody that comes near you and pretending they aren't there as long as they are six feet away. It's really not good.
Magoo, outside of any argumentative points you may have made, however valid or invalid, please don't randomly throw psychiatric terms around without comprehending their meaning and/or using them properly. It merely makes you seem somewhat dim.
Just a tip, no flame intended.
Thank you for your invaluable input... - bearlee89 - 08-24-2008
' Wrote:I have only one point that makes no sense to me at all.
Magoo put it under the number 3, and I would like to see that discussed.
A ship named Plato had Cardamine in it's hold. Fact.
A ship named Plato was asked to drop it's contraband by lawful forces. Fact.
LN interfered in a way they shouldn't. Fact.
Now, how did they interfere? Imagine a CIA agent sniffing some drug in front of Wall Street.
Cops comes buy, tries to arrest him, but something happens now.
Yeah, Delta team is going in, shooting all the cops down, and saving the innocent CIA agent, because he's an informant.
Point being, how is a -SPECIAL TREATMENT- helping him stay an informant?
If anyone can explain this to me, I'll jump of the roof.
Any normal informant would drop the cardi, go to prison, get out of prison due to his connections.
He wouldn't start a bloody civil war over it.
He should have dropped the cardamine and payed the fine. FACT!
As it is now, it just looks to me that he was one of the buddies from skype, and didn't want to waste 20 mins long run, so he PM-ed a LN buddy from skype.
I don't know if that's the truth, I'm just saying how it 'looks' because of wrong reactions.
I am not going into it any further, I don't know if those two fellas rammed you or not, not like it's important at all.
What I do care about is an non-RP act (now I'm gonna get shot by Hyung-Song) is presented as a flawless RP.
I hope it's gonna get fixed in the future.
As for LN cap spammage, that's pretty much untrue. I spend some time in Liberty and LN are usually spammed by all kinds of crappy capital ships (OC made usually), and they don't bring out the big guns, usually.
Also, one more thing that goes in my 'skype friends' story, and which I'm sure most people don't even know about.
I undock from Manhattan to find 101st MNS Fantasia in Manhattan's orbit.
Since I have a deal with one of LN leaders for the bounty, I gather a few more mercenaries.
Of course, since one Liberty dread was around there too, I asked for permission to fire.
Guess what?
"Attention. MNS-Fantasia is not to be fired uppon! It is a friendly vessel!"
WHAT?
Hello? Manhattan's orbit? What the hell happened there?
Of course, then I contacted another high-ranking LN officer and he told me to ignore the Dreadnot orders, which I did.
But still, the point is, keep your 'skype buddies' on skype, treat them as you should in game.
Wow...Do ANY of you know what happened?
Not really.
I was MORE than 10k away from Manhattan. Waiting for a select few of the LN to get on to continue roleplaying. The navy tagged (not LN-<name>), just tagged, BATTLE CRUISER pulls up to me.
No roleplay was attempted on his part, I'm in a slipstream and still managed to make a decent attempt at roleplaying while having my wings shot off. He was in NO danger from me.
Exact words "Pirate spotted"
A few "No"'s here and there when I asked him to stop and told him that I had a diplomatic immunity of sorts.
And after some other person blew me up (Mind you Slipstream vs Battle Cruiser and some Gunboat I think....Hmm...One sided fight I'd say.) All he said was "Pirate Eliminated"
He did NOT scan me (to my knowledge).
He did NOT demand my cargo to be dropped.
He did NOT attempt to roleplay of any sort.
And seeing how he roleplays on the forums (kudos for the most part) he had the ability to do so at ANY point in time. But chose not to.
I'm 100% sure that this whole issue cold have been avoided if he would have made an attempt to role play.
And I may have skype...but I have a grand total of 5..yes FIVE! skype contacts. None of them being in the LN.
And as for LN not bringing out the big guns when they don't need to? Not true.
Cardi smuggler pops into Texas. Face to face with 2 cruisers, 2 gunboats and a fighter. Hmm....Necessary? Doubt it.
And there was no special treatment. There was NO roleplaying on his part. EVER. I wasn't shooting, I wasn't pirating, I wasn't even MOVING when he came up. And for roleplaying purposes I had all my weapons turned off to assure anyone who came along that I wasn't hostile and I was just waiting.
He came after me based on my IFF and ID. Not because of my cardi, not because I was disturbing the peace (which I wasn't), not because I was doing something I shouldn't. He came after me because he wanted to blow something up.
Now let's see:
1. No RP stating reasons for engagement.
2. No RP stating the target of any sort. Just "Pirate Spotted"
3. No asking me to drop my cardi, pay a fine, and take me to jail.
4. No reason for engagement other than my ID and IFF.
5. Ramming a cap ship after being asked to stop. (sorry I've no reason not to believe Vince on this one)
I think all of these are a sign of a PvP whore.
Honestly. SLIPSTREAM vs. BATTLE CRUISER.
Need I say more?
You like facts?
Look at them.
We all know what they say happens when you assume things.
Thank you for your invaluable input... - SGTMatt - 08-25-2008
/Signed Magoo!. Thanks for bringing this up.
I am going to post here just to say a couple points and be off.
1) BC VS Slippy, I told him he was under arrest first. He was in front of manhattan circling newark. I followed him past Missuorri, and past Bush before I even started to get agressive about it.
Doesn't Basilisk get routinely pounced on by way more then one BC in his Slippstream?
2)Informant, or turning himself in, or defector? which one is he? This has changed so many times to fit what the LN wanted to say per post. I have basically dismissed the idea and will still treat Harper as not trustable.
3)powergaming... I was wrong to say I killed him. I admit that. I did so earlier in the post in flood about it to everyone.
I am KOS to LN now because I don't think they lead ALL of the liberty navy players and there is no other group to belong to but LN. PEH, I guess I will be KOS for a long time. I will continue patrols of Liberty and RP my BC Commander that I have had for a year and a half. When I get attacked, you might win, you might lose but I will RP a good Commander as always. LN who attack me will just be treated as high on cardi.
4) My attack on the LN BC Relentless or whatever was in defense of a different navy ship. Nuff said and not desputed
5) those BS that showed up attacked me on sight as soon as I got into range. no words no nothing. I guess actions speak louder then words. There was no ship to defend at that point. The relentless was gone for at least 6 min before they showed.
Take it or leave it, I am not going to leave Liberty and will not submit to whatever hold you think you have. Mob me with however many Dreads you think it will take. I will still be here.
-edit- he was scanned. Pirate id, cardi in hold.
Thank you for your invaluable input... - Magoo! - 08-26-2008
Well... Since this has been dug up again (almost to the second page!) I might as well try to muster up an amount of caring to counter-point several points. Especially since Mr. Penguin has PM'd me and roused me from my blissful ignorance that this thread ever existed.
Sorry about that by the way, I was rather grumpy after having my intelligence insulted.
Quote: He did NOT scan me (to my knowledge). <-- Mr. Matt?
He did NOT demand my cargo to be dropped. <-- Preferred, but not necessary
He did NOT attempt to roleplay of any sort. <-- Also preferred, but not necessary (strongly recommended as well, but what can we do?)
Draw wisdom from Hyuung's (sorry for spelling!) "What is and isn't RP" thread.
Quote: They have said 'You cannot play this way.'
That is utter and total BS.
Here are some examples of what I mean...
... "You can't attack someone just after saying one word. 'Engaging'"
... "You can't enter a fight if it makes it unbalanced"
... "The Liberty Navy are Capwhores! They are abusing their power!"
Wisdom drawn.
Now, what would you say if a shady hooded man came up on the dock with a Cuban accent and a speedboat with vials of coke in his pockets saying, "Dude, mang. I got... I got de' diplomatic immunity, joo' know what I saying mang? Hombre? Comprendes?" And if a cop came up and said, "Ignore him, sirrah. He's clear." I think everybody here would protest.
Quote: 1. No RP stating reasons for engagement.
2. No RP stating the target of any sort. Just "Pirate Spotted"
3. No asking me to drop my cardi, pay a fine, and take me to jail.
4. No reason for engagement other than my ID and IFF.
5. Ramming a cap ship after being asked to stop. (sorry I've no reason not to believe Vince on this one)
1. See wisdom drawage in the first quote.
2. He was flying at you. You have an (OC?) IFF and ID. Who did you think he was talking about?
3. As you said, it was for your personal use. (Other thread) Somehow I don't think an OC would give up Cardi (personal stash) to the LN much faster than a human would give up air at a Nomad's demand.
4. That's all he needs.
5. Umm... I don't trust the LN with their testimony, but I'm biased. So I can neither believe nor deny this statement.
Quote: Honestly. SLIPSTREAM vs. BATTLE CRUISER.Just point your nose toward him. The hitbox lets the shots go through you.
Quote: Magoo, outside of any argumentative points you may have made, however valid or invalid, please don't randomly throw psychiatric terms around without comprehending their meaning and/or using them properly. It merely makes you seem somewhat dim.Aaand finally, just because pride dictates it, I explained what I meant with the analogy. Judging by technical medical terms my explaination made perfect sense.
*sigh*
So thats... Three kudos to me among... 6 pages of point-counter point? I have nothing better to do than count those at the moment.
Whoo! *starts beating dead horse*