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RE: Poll: Independent Pirate IFF - Fluffyball - 06-20-2015
That's why I pointed out that Freelancer IFF is used by Pirate ID for, at least, three reasons:
1) Guy is not a member of any major pirate faction that is powerful enough to openly show their colours.
2) Guy is sort of a freelancer, but why Pirate ID cannot be hired, it's beyond my comprehension.
3) Space is a dangerous place, don't make it easier for traders.
Some people tend to forget that Pirate ID players with Freelancer IFF aren't the main danger out there. What about the Freelancer, who was hired to kill your ship, without any right to negotiate? Just think about it.
Quote:Can fulfill any bounty and escort contracts, and may treat transports as combat targets when executing a bounty or escort contract against them.
I wonder if situation like that would occur, the guy would also be called an "IFF abuser."
Freelancer IFF, as someone mentioned, is a generic IFF. If I robbed a bank, I wouldn't really shout "HEY ITS ME". There's a great difference between amateur buglars and organized crime syndicates, such as Chinese Triads or Russian Mafia. That's why Pirate ID has reason to hide under the Freelancer IFF.
However, to make sheep safe and wolf filled, I'd go for no IFF available to obtain for Pirate ID. There's one problem - limitation of the Freelancer engine. Plus, it would require Pirate ID to be rewritten (line about same IFF defence).
RE: Poll: Independent Pirate IFF - Von Richtofen - 06-21-2015
I'm all for enforcing the IFF from a realism point of view. How many times do you think an independent pirate could attack house shipping or other vessels before being flagged as a known pirate on every database going? Once or twice I would guess. The vessel name and description would be well circulated. That's the only reason I have to enforce it. Gameplay wise, it makes no odds to me. All freelance pilots are scum anyway
RE: Poll: Independent Pirate IFF - Coin - 06-21-2015
Pirates in the age of sail would conceal their true 'colours' until they raised their flag. Having no IFF is similar - it's not until they are close enough for the trader to scan their id that the trader can see the skull and crossbones
RE: Poll: Independent Pirate IFF - Von Richtofen - 06-21-2015
(06-21-2015, 04:39 AM)Coin Wrote: Pirates in the age of sail would conceal their true 'colours' until they raised their flag. Having no IFF is similar - it's not until they are close enough for the trader to scan their id that the trader can see the skull and crossbones
This isn't the age of sail though. Also, once a ship was known to be a pirate vessel back then, it was often recognized as such, especially the more infamous ones. News had a habit of spreading, even then. You can't compare that age and the use of flags to the freelancer universe and the technology present. The age of sail didnt have a galaxy spanning news network or concise ship and criminal databases etc. Also, by that reckoning, no ship should have an IFF and you wouldn't know who they were until you did a cargo scan, (Which is sometimes the case now i think of it, which incorrect ID and IFF on some ships)
However, I suppose that it would be possible (in theory) to transmit a false IFF signal, much as it was possible to fly another nation's colours before hoisting the jolly roger. The ship would still become known as a pirate vessel eventually though in a time and place where information travels almost instantaneously and access to data is shared across such a huge network. Though if we allowed for that concession, we'd have players acting like idiots and claiming that their IFF isnt really theirs but a false signal etc, via RP. It's best to allow that an IFF isn't something the pilot has control over, but is hardwired into the ship ID chip. Things are confusing enough as it is sometimes.
RE: Poll: Independent Pirate IFF - Fluffyball - 06-21-2015
(06-21-2015, 12:48 AM)Von Richtofen Wrote: I'm all for enforcing the IFF from a realism point of view. How many times do you think an independent pirate could attack house shipping or other vessels before being flagged as a known pirate on every database going? Once or twice I would guess. The vessel name and description would be well circulated. That's the only reason I have to enforce it. Gameplay wise, it makes no odds to me. All freelance pilots are scum anyway
I'd stay on no-IFF, instead of forced IFF. Being kind of anonymous is the only advantage of the Pirate ID - with all its limitations that are already pretty harsh. Like I mentioned before, there's a great difference between petty thief that can hide in the crowd and the organized criminal syndicate.
However, if forced IFF had to occur, reversal to the more liberal ruleset would be required in my humble opinion. Rules for Pirate ID are to be changed nonetheless. I'd replace protection of same IFF with bountry/escort duties (since the former would be useless and void).
Because, for now, the lack of freedom to pirate every target within House Space is a fine trade for the Freelancer IFF.
RE: Poll: Independent Pirate IFF - Eva Falk - 06-22-2015
what else will the /pirate command change?
will it be an entire rephack?
RE: Poll: Independent Pirate IFF - SpaceTime - 06-22-2015
The Pirate IFF as it is currently applied, is a very minor thing as it would rarely ever be used.
My suggestion was for the Pirate IFF to be the standard IFF by default but if you had maxed the Outcast or any other rep which can go green, then it could be able for you to /droprep and switch your IFF into something else.
RE: Poll: Independent Pirate IFF - SnakeLancerHaven - 06-22-2015
But you guys know, that all of your "No-IFF" arguement is ooRP related right? If you look at it from a RP point of view, this IFF makes totaly sense.
RE: Poll: Independent Pirate IFF - MÃmir - 06-22-2015
What IFF makes totally sense from an RP point of view and why?
RE: Poll: Independent Pirate IFF - SnakeLancerHaven - 06-22-2015
Pirate IFF, because you are registered as a Criminal/Pirate. Obviously your Char will act and have such behaviour/attiude inRP aswell, which will show you an obvious Pirate.
There is a difference between a Criminal/Unlawful and a Pirate. Criminals can just be Terrorists that attack for a specific goal. Criminals can also be registered as criminals in the System but maybe in fact are innocent thus they fight the system.
But a Pirate is known for its action and purpose.