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RE: Let's fix this - Cashew - 07-02-2016
(07-01-2016, 03:37 PM)Haste Wrote: You agree here that - in the past - the administration team was inconsistent in its judgement. Does this inconsistency apply to the six bans this thread is about? If so, it seems somewhat strange that, while pushing for greater consistency, these bans are not looked at, whatsoever, again.I believe I said "At the moment", which was correct at the time of me writing the post. Yes it is an inconsistent decision we've made, I think anyone can notice that change in trend. I haven't seen Admins ban this many people at once before.
We are discussing the bans literally right now and will hopefully have an answer soon.
(07-01-2016, 03:37 PM)Haste Wrote: Sanction evidence is generally supplied to sanctioned players. The few banned players I have spoken to have said to have received little to no evidence despite attempting to get it from multiple admins. Are these players simply lying to me? If not, why are they left in the dark? I don't think "the public" should see any evidence - this has never been the case anyways - but I do believe the banned players should know what exactly they did wrong. If they wish to share it with others, that's up to them.I haven't been approached by any of the banned players so I don't know. It generally doesn't require any discussion to provide banned players with evidence so you'd have to take that up with one of the Admins that were asked to provide evidence.
(07-01-2016, 03:37 PM)Haste Wrote: About half of your post is about all the nice and lovely things you wish to please the community with. While this is of course great news, it honestly reads as an attempt to divert attention away from the recent bans. This is somewhat strange, if you consider that the admin team seems to have deliberately posted the bans in the news section to attract attention to them in the first place. This, once again, is likely best described as inconsistent.My intention was not to distract attention, more to show that we are trying to improve the community and not destroy it. Which is what many people believe is what we're trying to do. The bans were posted in the news section because we realised that they were going to impact the community, it was not to glorify our decision . At the end of the day, mate, you're nit picking about something that doesn't really require much attention. Why does it matter where they are announced? It doesn't, the bans aren't different depending on where they are on the forum.
Thank you for conducting yourself in a respectable manner, though.
(07-01-2016, 03:50 PM)Omicega Wrote: We don't need empty, meaningless platitudes and assurances that everything will be fine from now on. There is no reason that you cannot provide evidence other than that you are refusing to; there is no magical block in place that stops you from posting it here. The fact is you're too spineless to dole it out, presumably because if you do your position as a green will be compromised. That's fair enough, but please don't pretend that you "can't".Remind me, when have the Administration ever released evidence publicly?
(07-01-2016, 03:50 PM)Omicega Wrote: Your revitalisation strategy appears to be sending e-mails to old players to replace the one's we've lost. I'm not actually sure if this is a joke or not, and I don't want to comment on something that pretty much has to be satire.You're obviously a glass half empty. Unless you have a crystal ball along with your negative and rude attitude I seriously doubt you can tell me if it's going to work either way with certainty.
(07-01-2016, 03:50 PM)Omicega Wrote: Lastly, despite being a recent returner, you are not a unique face among the admins as far as my belief in you holds weight. In fact, you are up there with @Hannibal as one of the admins who should have had the least say in these votes - I am entirely unconvinced that your stance on @Swifty in particular was unbiased, considering I remember you and him spewing hate for each other all over my faction chat in the past twelve months or so. Furthermore, you've just come back and couldn't possibly have any meaningful input on the votes considering the timespan in which they were supposed to relate to. That goes for @Hannibal as well, but you have points over him because you're capable of basic English comprehension.It's funny actually, because I did have a much lower say in the bans. I retracted my vote on many members because I hadn't any evidence to base a decision on. I remember with @Swifty he was the one insulting me for no apparent reason, even if I was bias I doubt it would differ the outcome of his ban anyway. You're entitled to your opinion of me, I just find it funny that you stoop to a low of judging someone on their ability to write in a foreign language. Sums you up.
(07-01-2016, 03:50 PM)Omicega Wrote: All in all, I feel that the staff have wholly, utterly, and irreparably betrayed my trust with this decision and numerous other serious decisions that have come in the months and years prior to this. I don't feel that any of you, bar maybe @Alley and @Garrett Jax (who isn't even an admin any more) are capable of ever regaining my trust, and I can only reiterate my previous belief that all of you should follow in @Arioch's footsteps and walk out the door to make way for a new crop that is actually voted on by the community.I won't be following in @Arioch 's footsteps, thank you. I won't be influenced by someone that's as rude as you are, your opinion holds no sway with me. Enjoy your day.
@Jack_Henderson - I sent you a PM
RE: Let's fix this - Antonio - 07-02-2016
(07-02-2016, 04:05 PM)Cashew Wrote: I retracted my vote on many members because I hadn't any evidence to base a decision on.
You, one admin, didn't have any evidence to base a decision on. Since you're obviously sharing all the evidence you have and making a group decision based on it, and you're saying you didn't get any, based on what evidence did any other admin vote if none was presented in the first place?
RE: Let's fix this - Aether - 07-02-2016
(07-02-2016, 04:25 PM)Antonio Wrote:(07-02-2016, 04:05 PM)Cashew Wrote: I retracted my vote on many members because I hadn't any evidence to base a decision on.
You, one admin, didn't have any evidence to base a decision on. Since you're obviously sharing all the evidence you have and making a group decision based on it, and you're saying you didn't get any, based on what evidence did any other admin vote if none was presented in the first place?
He's saying the evidence wasn't provided to him, thus he abstained from any major decisions due to the lack of a timeframe in which he could've voted comfortably and evaluated the evidence.
RE: Let's fix this - Cashew - 07-02-2016
(07-02-2016, 04:25 PM)Antonio Wrote:(07-02-2016, 04:05 PM)Cashew Wrote: I retracted my vote on many members because I hadn't any evidence to base a decision on.
You, one admin, didn't have any evidence to base a decision on. Since you're obviously sharing all the evidence you have and making a group decision based on it, and you're saying you didn't get any, based on what evidence did any other admin vote if none was presented in the first place?
There were several other members that were voted on, not just the 6 banned members.
RE: Let's fix this - Antonio - 07-02-2016
(07-02-2016, 04:26 PM)Cashew Wrote:(07-02-2016, 04:25 PM)Antonio Wrote:(07-02-2016, 04:05 PM)Cashew Wrote: I retracted my vote on many members because I hadn't any evidence to base a decision on.
You, one admin, didn't have any evidence to base a decision on. Since you're obviously sharing all the evidence you have and making a group decision based on it, and you're saying you didn't get any, based on what evidence did any other admin vote if none was presented in the first place?
There were several other members that were voted on, not just the 6 banned members.
Oh, okay.
RE: Let's fix this - Omi - 07-02-2016
Quote:I haven't been approached by any of the banned players
This is an out and out lie, actually. I know for a fact that at least one of the members affected has made an attempt to contact you, and hasn't received so much as a whisper in reply. They even asked me to reiterate the point in case you just hadn't seen it - with predictable results.
Remind me when the administration has had carte blanche to withhold evidence entirely from parties that are meant to be allowed to view it?
I'm not really sure what you mean by 'glass half empty', but I assume you're trying to tell me that I'm too stupid to understand what momentous undertakings you and the rest of the team are going along with to bring the server pop back up. Your lack of any real conviction in your reply speaks volumes, though.
Quote:I just find it funny that you stoop to a low of judging someone on their ability to write in a foreign language. Sums you up.
Yes, this is an easy point to attack me on if you don't read far enough between the lines. The idea that server staff should struggle with reading and writing to a high level of English on a community that's based entirely around communication in that language only is ludicrous. I wouldn't volunteer to administrate or moderate a French, Polish, or Mandarin speaking forum any more than I'd consider those staff with a shaky grasp of English qualified to act here.
You're welcome to write off my posts based on my tone, but it doesn't change the fact that we both know I have valid points that you're wholly incapable of countering without resorting to telling me that I'm too rude to give any meaningful responses to. The only credit your post does you is that it breaks your vigil of silence that you've (reportedly) been subjecting several parties to on Skype and elsewhere, but I'm sorry to see that the bright-eyed GRN| member I remember flying alongside has turned into such a terrible representation of how the server should be run.
RE: Let's fix this - HassLHoFF™ - 07-02-2016
@"Omicega" Why do you throw this "incapable of writing english" even at players very often? Strange uhmm...
Well this is NOT an english or USA community, this is an international community with having english as the major language. Nothing special about it and noone even the staff need to be perfectly capable with it. By the way, even yours isn't perfect and often full of grammars and mistakes.
Suggesting going back to topic, though.
RE: Let's fix this - Vendetta - 07-02-2016
He's only looking for ammo so he can keep shooting. He can stop pretending to care now.
RE: Let's fix this - Xenon - 07-02-2016
After a good talk to @Lythrilux , i think him alone as a special case can have another chance. That's my feelings, i sensed from his talks that he is changing and deserve a break.
Just saying what's in my heart, and maybe @Karst too ... but i don't feel the same towards the rest of the banned players - That's all
RE: Let's fix this - Sanctions - 07-02-2016
^ Tired of that newb thinking his opinion being special and respectable.
Forgive my anger tho.