(02-24-2018, 04:31 AM)HassLHoFF™ Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 04:21 AM)Vendetta Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 04:17 AM)HassLHoFF™ Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 04:05 AM)Vendetta Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 03:43 AM)HassLHoFF™ Wrote: @Vendetta Well, it seems Nomads hadn't been into this position forever. In regards of this. https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=153292

Mind to explain me the RP decision basing on this? Either way it seems the K'hara HC just seem to disregard our RP. At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if it is just a reaction resulting of me leading it. However as silly as this move is. I might remind you that forcing RP on other entities is forbidden. If K'hara still uses to shoot us for whatever reason, we won't shoot back. Have fun in finding a RP justification in shooting a metal shell.

Maybe he didn't make it clear enough. "Not ruling out the possibility" is a kind way of saying we honestly don't care. It's not about who the faction is led by, but rather the fact that there's a variety of reasons we cannot be friends.

One: Communications barrier. We can't communicate directly.
Two: Existing hostilities. The Nomads are biological weapons. We exist to kill things, and we do not give second chances.
Three: See above. It'd make zero sense for a machine race to suddenly evaluate a frequently hostile species as non-hostile if the same can't be done to neutral/non-hostile elements inside other factions. It's literally a full 180-turn from where the relationship was before and that just doesn't happen. You're also painting an even bigger target on your back by frequently going around trying to shoot stuff on our behalf.
Four: You're in the Omicrons. We don't want anyone there. That includes people who have the same idea of wanting people out. It kind of defeats the purpose to want everyone out but not everyone at the same time.
Five: You have nothing to offer us. We don't care about trade. We don't need additional guns pointing at our enemies. We can't use your tech and vice versa. There is nothing to gain in forming a relationship.

"Forcing RP" is a laughable attempt to try and turn this into something personal. If anything, your frequent attempts to appease us have been nothing but forced. It should've been made perfectly clear that we do not want to be allies.

So, what was the intention/mind behind the content of the link in my previous post? I may get into your points on a later post, but for now saying the Nomads are just a biological weapon drives me clapping hands and shaking head.

The contact between your group and the Oracles was actually brought to the attention of the chat and not something that was sent out to be done. When they poked us for a verdict and decision about a relationship, the active voices voted against it. It was pretty clear that interest was superseded by logic in this case as points were brought up that made any kind of relationship virtually an impossibility.

People don't just make a 180-turn and start being friends. I highly doubt the Nomads OR AI would do the same. That's honestly all the reasoning you need, and if that isn't clear enough for you, then don't act surprised if you end up getting shot during a raid like everybody else.

Have you even opened the link? You are circumventing my question. I'll just quote it directly.

(09-01-2017, 04:51 PM)HanCloudstone Wrote: comm post

(02-24-2018, 04:36 AM)Vendetta Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 04:31 AM)HassLHoFF™ Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 04:21 AM)Vendetta Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 04:17 AM)HassLHoFF™ Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 04:05 AM)Vendetta Wrote: Maybe he didn't make it clear enough. "Not ruling out the possibility" is a kind way of saying we honestly don't care. It's not about who the faction is led by, but rather the fact that there's a variety of reasons we cannot be friends.

One: Communications barrier. We can't communicate directly.
Two: Existing hostilities. The Nomads are biological weapons. We exist to kill things, and we do not give second chances.
Three: See above. It'd make zero sense for a machine race to suddenly evaluate a frequently hostile species as non-hostile if the same can't be done to neutral/non-hostile elements inside other factions. It's literally a full 180-turn from where the relationship was before and that just doesn't happen. You're also painting an even bigger target on your back by frequently going around trying to shoot stuff on our behalf.
Four: You're in the Omicrons. We don't want anyone there. That includes people who have the same idea of wanting people out. It kind of defeats the purpose to want everyone out but not everyone at the same time.
Five: You have nothing to offer us. We don't care about trade. We don't need additional guns pointing at our enemies. We can't use your tech and vice versa. There is nothing to gain in forming a relationship.

"Forcing RP" is a laughable attempt to try and turn this into something personal. If anything, your frequent attempts to appease us have been nothing but forced. It should've been made perfectly clear that we do not want to be allies.

So, what was the intention/mind behind the content of the link in my previous post? I may get into your points on a later post, but for now saying the Nomads are just a biological weapon drives me clapping hands and shaking head.

The contact between your group and the Oracles was actually brought to the attention of the chat and not something that was sent out to be done. When they poked us for a verdict and decision about a relationship, the active voices voted against it. It was pretty clear that interest was superseded by logic in this case as points were brought up that made any kind of relationship virtually an impossibility.

People don't just make a 180-turn and start being friends. I highly doubt the Nomads OR AI would do the same. That's honestly all the reasoning you need, and if that isn't clear enough for you, then don't act surprised if you end up getting shot during a raid like everybody else.

Have you even opened the link? You are circumventing my question. I'll just quote it directly.

(09-01-2017, 04:51 PM)HanCloudstone Wrote: comm post

Maybe you missed the point where this was said: "The contact between your group and the Oracles was actually brought to the attention of the chat and not something that was sent out to be done." This means that the attempt at relations was brought to our attention after the fact. Had it been discussed prior, it probably would've gone nowhere.

I also want to take this opportunity to point out that the thread you linked wasn't even authorized by the faction leader at the time. I quote:

[10:33:08 PM] Phil Canaan|: For reference that RP he linked to wasn’t even authorized by me. I was away on holiday and Tanith just started that without my knowledge.

(02-24-2018, 05:07 AM)HassLHoFF™ Wrote: Well, it wasn't specific content of my observation, however as I use to stay and decide inRP as I usually do, it was a very clear offer towards the AI from the nomads. Which is very much confusing now most likely inRP.
You still seem to bring in a lot of ooRP conditions which is fairly not in our interest.

(02-24-2018, 04:05 AM)Vendetta Wrote: Maybe he didn't make it clear enough. "Not ruling out the possibility" is a kind way of saying we honestly don't care. It's not about who the faction is led by, but rather the fact that there's a variety of reasons we cannot be friends.

LIST OF REASONS

(02-24-2018, 05:12 AM)Vendetta Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 05:07 AM)HassLHoFF™ Wrote: Well, it wasn't specific content of my observation, however as I use to stay and decide inRP as I usually do, it was a very clear offer towards the AI from the nomads. Which is very much confusing now most likely inRP.
You still seem to bring in a lot of ooRP conditions which is fairly not in our interest.

I told you already:

(02-24-2018, 04:05 AM)Vendetta Wrote: Maybe he didn't make it clear enough. "Not ruling out the possibility" is a kind way of saying we honestly don't care. It's not about who the faction is led by, but rather the fact that there's a variety of reasons we cannot be friends.

LIST OF REASONS

There is no logic in a relationship. There is no real backing in what you believe was established. Not to mention that was in fact addressed to PRIME and not this faction, and wasn't even authorized by the faction it was addressed to and simply done on a whim.

No matter what way you try and turn this around, it's not going to go the way you want it to. Nomads and AI have virtually and logically no reason to cooperate, and that isn't going to change at all. It's kind of why the above quote was brought to light.

Accept it. It's not going to become a reality. It's a bad idea.

(02-24-2018, 05:23 AM)Alessa Samson Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 05:12 AM)Vendetta Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 05:07 AM)HassLHoFF™ Wrote: Well, it wasn't specific content of my observation, however as I use to stay and decide inRP as I usually do, it was a very clear offer towards the AI from the nomads. Which is very much confusing now most likely inRP.
You still seem to bring in a lot of ooRP conditions which is fairly not in our interest.

I told you already:

(02-24-2018, 04:05 AM)Vendetta Wrote: Maybe he didn't make it clear enough. "Not ruling out the possibility" is a kind way of saying we honestly don't care. It's not about who the faction is led by, but rather the fact that there's a variety of reasons we cannot be friends.

LIST OF REASONS

There is no logic in a relationship. There is no real backing in what you believe was established. Not to mention that was in fact addressed to PRIME and not this faction, and wasn't even authorized by the faction it was addressed to and simply done on a whim.

No matter what way you try and turn this around, it's not going to go the way you want it to. Nomads and AI have virtually and logically no reason to cooperate, and that isn't going to change at all. It's kind of why the above quote was brought to light.

Accept it. It's not going to become a reality. It's a bad idea.

Ok, then I repeat myself. Continue shooting, we won't shoot back. Let us do our RP as we let you do yours. It is pretty obvious, even that you are part of the K'hara hc both of us have an entire different view about them and what they are used to be. Biological weapon and exists to kill things ftw.

Who is in the K'hara HC anyway? Is it still, Huggie, Nyx, Laz, Shizune and you?
However in fact that really noone of the k'hara hc has tried to contact me initially tells usually everything.
The same bunch of people I have had to deal with since years. Still receiving the feedback of the rumors you guys have spreaded about me. *sarcasm on* This is definitey pure responsible, mature and professional acting, really, this is what discovery needs.

(02-24-2018, 06:07 AM)Vendetta Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 05:23 AM)Alessa Samson Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 05:12 AM)Vendetta Wrote:

(02-24-2018, 05:07 AM)HassLHoFF™ Wrote: Well, it wasn't specific content of my observation, however as I use to stay and decide inRP as I usually do, it was a very clear offer towards the AI from the nomads. Which is very much confusing now most likely inRP.
You still seem to bring in a lot of ooRP conditions which is fairly not in our interest.

I told you already:

(02-24-2018, 04:05 AM)Vendetta Wrote: Maybe he didn't make it clear enough. "Not ruling out the possibility" is a kind way of saying we honestly don't care. It's not about who the faction is led by, but rather the fact that there's a variety of reasons we cannot be friends.

LIST OF REASONS

There is no logic in a relationship. There is no real backing in what you believe was established. Not to mention that was in fact addressed to PRIME and not this faction, and wasn't even authorized by the faction it was addressed to and simply done on a whim.

No matter what way you try and turn this around, it's not going to go the way you want it to. Nomads and AI have virtually and logically no reason to cooperate, and that isn't going to change at all. It's kind of why the above quote was brought to light.

Accept it. It's not going to become a reality. It's a bad idea.

Ok, then I repeat myself. Continue shooting, we won't shoot back. Let us do our RP as we let you do yours. It is pretty obvious, even that you are part of the K'hara hc both of us have an entire different view about them and what they are used to be. Biological weapon and exists to kill things ftw.

Who is in the K'hara HC anyway? Is it still, Huggie, Nyx, Laz, Shizune and you?
However in fact that really noone of the k'hara hc has tried to contact me initially tells usually everything.
The same bunch of people I have had to deal with since years. Still receiving the feedback of the rumors you guys have spreaded about me. *sarcasm on* This is definitey pure responsible, mature and professional acting, really, this is what discovery needs.

Hi. This is K'Hara making it clear we do not want to be your friends. If it was obvious before, it should be now. Two of the people you've listed aren't in the faction anymore, and even Huggie has said he told you no.

It's not going to work.

This is not an avenue you can force open, and if your response is to resort to claiming this as personal bias then you're sorely mistaken. This has EVERYTHING to do with the things I've listed in this thread.

There's nothing more to discuss. It's not going to happen.

(02-24-2018, 05:23 AM)Alessa Samson Wrote: Who is in the K'hara HC anyway? Is it still, Huggie, Nyx, Laz, Shizune and you?

(02-24-2018, 07:43 AM)HuggieSunrise Wrote: So... its been awhile I read the lore and the other feedback posts. here it goes.

I find it lazy that the robos would call Valhalla 1, Valhalla 1. I mean its not like its on a nameplate or carved in the pike mountains.

The lore section is lacking explanations to this arc or.. any true motivations for their existence. Kill human khara fren etc. Info page.. has information.

So to the feedback. Guys it doesn't matter what they name the thing Jesus really?

Vendoo... son. Wtf man relax.

But im going to explain this as best I can.

The daam kvosh deification and fixation is going to sink your ship vary early and vary quickly. Everyone treats it as sacred and no one will like what you try to do with it.

The facts are bare in the original pre release lore docs. VH1 was completely cleaned out and the contents spread out to every little corner of Sirius.

The conjecture likely would be.. even if the originals got put in the same place they were being studied and that is doubtful. For hundreds of years through entire systems being ravaged and silent nomad infiltration? Realistically speaking the only ones that would know their locations with be the surviving hive or even the vagrants if any collective memory survived their ordeals coming back to the sector.

The noms pre war and the order would have either destroyed or found as much as they could. Also when there was this covert purge of the Liberty Military across the board cause of the shut down and the silent war that was raging if anyone had original VH1 artifacts they are fragmented or hidden among those three groups. Also since literally nothing was in the campaign im thinking most of it was destroyed.

Oracle activity is tied to khara. But one doesn't dictate the other or vice versa. Oracles are a better tool to use for diplomacy since nomad culture is.. well. Its complicated.

The ai / nomad communication barriers have been painted up and down for years. The best i can offer you you is at this point the old rule is stupid and outdated. Though depending on how the technology of the ai functions , if it transmits electromagnetically the Khara can hear it. Will they understand it? Debatable. At best it would see the words.

Khara will not pick up intentions and emotions however. And these things determine more of how the hive will judge or do with the unit.

Ships have been infected, turned, and weaponized, the crew the equipment got blended together into a tool. The same would happen to an ai. Khara do not conserve they usurp.

A cyborg with whatever nano mechanical systems would be thrown in the same blender, because nomads use all kinds of alien bacteria of multiple functions to achieve the same ends.
To my knowledge the only other faction to adapt some of this bacteria are the TAZ and thier scrubbies.


In any-case.. none of its taboo. people might go along with the game your trying to play if its actually appealing to them. at the moment though.. its looking like an excuse to pew and stand under the drastically shrinking shadow of the alien rp here. Do yourself a favor. Take yourselves out of the equation find out whats honestly fun to rp and easy to bring into the server and save the headache of trying too hard.