(03-27-2019, 12:35 AM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: If you don't want the guilty-by-association thing, there needs to be more transparency of what is done by what people beforehand, not afterwords, and a very clear cut between involved and uninvolved people. As a few people have pointed out already, especially on Discord: It looks very unfortunate when the player who inRP spearheads the successful invasion of Canaria, "the damage I inflicted on the Kassel was more than significant" on the Kassel and Operation Chrysalis on Aland. It does look like certain success guarantees are helpful to create war heroes.

(03-27-2019, 12:44 AM)Durandal Wrote: The problem with that is, if I tell you that's what's happening, not a single soul is going to believe me, because this community has endured so many bad actors in positions of power that the kneejerk reaction is to assume the worst case scenario.

What do we do with that?

(03-27-2019, 12:09 AM)Wesker Wrote: Lets list this out.

The first time I listened to the story team was several months ago, they told me to tell the Unioners to piss off from their base in Colonge and let us take it completely. Instead, drama unfolded and the Unioner leader just gave it a totally different interpretation. I got accused of powergaming for doing something the devs told me to do.

A bit more recently it was recommended that I should attack bretonia and the Gwent, so we did, we also committed some forces to the defense of aland ensuring that if we couldn't win there would be mutually assured destruction. But apparently the Norfolk was already in 3 and their fleet is larger than the entire Gallic fleet to the point where "they could sneeze at aland and knock it over" according to a dev. We ended up with a dead battleship and instead of the Corsairs capitalizing on cambridge with the Fes (which was the entire reason it was there) it got moved to 47 and is now looking to take tangier. Apparently our largest military settlement is "exposed", nevermind the geography of the planet.

All of this amounts to fustration, I understand we can't gun for a 100% victory. I do not want it to be one sided from a lore perspective. But Seriously? A goddamn immobile battleship costed us the integrity and mobility of our ONLY CAP ASSET? I'd expect some ***** like that if it were to face off with the Altenburg now in open space, not a bretonian relic that can't do anything.

Mix that with this garbage powergamed, last minute canonized, garbage outcome for the defenders in all corners and I'm out of gas. I am never working with the development team again, Karst was right, it is basically Bretonia Rules the waves to the end. I do not want to be a part of anything related to the development team, I'll stick to rolling over factions with jormungands and smashing people in snub pvp. Life is coming up for me and while I don't intend to abandon this community I am sure as hell never going to do anything related to development ever again.

(03-27-2019, 12:09 AM)Wesker Wrote: This is a joke, you saw the hamburg event, I hate to boast. I don't boast on the forums at all because its pathetic. But no one has the spine to face us in an event like this. The Hessian playerbase is filled with rage from years of being rolled over and being in the same shoes as people that complain at us. They would have to literally skew the event against us tenfold, and that would amount to people complaining even more.

(03-27-2019, 12:51 AM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: I believe, in Kaze's case, not pretending Dagon herself dealt the critical blow on the Kassel, because that never happened in the game. I really don't like the idea of generally mentioning player characters in infocards for that reason as well. Not because of personal jealousy but because it looks like certain groups have advantages over others - be it in the actual game by the situation itself or by people assuming the worst when they see connections and circlejerk potential.

And Discovery is all about circlejerks. At least when it comes to factions. One of the reasons why I always heavily prefered to stay away from factions.

(03-27-2019, 12:44 AM)Durandal Wrote:

(03-27-2019, 12:35 AM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: If you don't want the guilty-by-association thing, there needs to be more transparency of what is done by what people beforehand, not afterwords, and a very clear cut between involved and uninvolved people. As a few people have pointed out already, especially on Discord: It looks very unfortunate when the player who inRP spearheads the successful invasion of Canaria, "the damage I inflicted on the Kassel was more than significant" on the Kassel and Operation Chrysalis on Aland. It does look like certain success guarantees are helpful to create war heroes.

I'm torn on this. On one hand I'm sympathetic. I think we do need to set hard and fast rules about developers not acting upon the plot even if they know it in advance. I'm not saying this happened, as far as I'm aware it has not.

On the other hand we are talking about a character who was already in a very convenient position before @Kaze was hired as a story developer. If Kaze was not a developer, and the character existed and the same developments were happening with a degree of separation, I almost feel Kaze Dagon & Bretonia in general would be lauded as an exemplary case of the development team working very closely with a House's playerbase.

The problem with that is, if I tell you that's what's happening, not a single soul is going to believe me, because this community has endured so many bad actors in positions of power that the kneejerk reaction is to assume the worst case scenario.

What do we do with that?

(03-27-2019, 12:28 AM)Durandal Wrote: I think what you're trying to say here is please get better at doing what the communities demands. We recognized the community and factored in every player driven action. Every battle, every participant (including the Core even if not documented, @Lythrilux), every decision those factions made. We canonized Olympia, we even canonized the Erdbeben.