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Would you like to see an Unofficial Faction sub forum - Zelot - 05-24-2009
' Wrote:I want to avoid that as much as possible which is why we're going to be looking at ways to ensure that every faction, offcial or otherwise meets a certain standard of behaviour. A faction on Discovery should be more than a collection of tags, it should be something that adds to the RP of the server as a whole.
That might be one of the best things I have every heard in my time here.
Would you like to see an Unofficial Faction sub forum - Turkish - 05-24-2009
' Wrote:Unofficial factions getting trampled on? They have considerably more freedom than an official faction. They aren't nearly so heavily srutinised and I have absolutely nothing against Independents, Indies make the server as much as official factions do. Most of the quirky RP you'll remember comes from Indies. But a lot of unofficial factions are entirely unnecessary and with some actual negotiation with official factions, could become a part of those without any ill effects. Now those unofficial factions which come up because of a lack of an official faction in that slot are generally aiming for official status anyway and if they aren't then they should and will be allowed to continue, but having a seperate sub-forum for those ones is entirely unecessary.
Unofficial factions are one of the major sources of collective Admin pain, we've had issues with far more of those than we've ever had or likely ever will have with those factions who have run the gauntlet of requesting official status. I can't count the number I've persoanlly been involved with including some we've been forced to take apart. Others have had to be repeatedly beaten and with great force to get them to conform.
I want to avoid that as much as possible which is why we're going to be looking at ways to ensure that every faction, offcial or otherwise meets a certain standard of behaviour. A faction on Discovery should be more than a collection of tags, it should be something that adds to the RP of the server as a whole.
I'm inclined to agree with Del in this instance.
Unofficial factions are a double bladed sword, on one hand you are given the right and opportunity to create something without the restrictions of an official faction. You're essentially a loose grouping of players with a goal an system of RP. Its great and can lead to some truly amazing performances.
The flip side is that when that freedom and creativity are abused it creates more pain, hassle, and aggravation for everyone on the server. This is why I'm partial to a set of guidlines and a forum in which to discuss, revise and announce themselves.
People need a chance, the problem is that lolwhutingcapspam has given indie groups a very bad name and associated a stigma that is hard to shake.
Would you like to see an Unofficial Faction sub forum - AJBeast - 05-24-2009
' Wrote:Unofficial factions getting trampled on? They have considerably more freedom than an official faction. They aren't nearly so heavily srutinised and I have absolutely nothing against Independents, Indies make the server as much as official factions do. Most of the quirky RP you'll remember comes from Indies. But a lot of unofficial factions are entirely unnecessary and with some actual negotiation with official factions, could become a part of those without any ill effects. Now those unofficial factions which come up because of a lack of an official faction in that slot are generally aiming for official status anyway and if they aren't then they should and will be allowed to continue, but having a seperate sub-forum for those ones is entirely unecessary.
By trampled on i mean getting disrespected and getting nothing but crap from most of the comunity. They are generally frowned upon and get their RP compared to the official factions which might work in some factions , but not all. I have seen great unofficial faction writeups that have been constantly bashed by the comunity.
There can be a ton of diferent groups inside a faction. Junkers for example , there can be a ton of diferent groups inside the Junkers. Smugglers , legal traders , scrap salvagers, politic group, strike force... They can come from Rheinland , Liberty , Bretonia, etc etc etc.
' Wrote:I want to avoid that as much as possible which is why we're going to be looking at ways to ensure that every faction, offcial or otherwise meets a certain standard of behaviour. A faction on Discovery should be more than a collection of tags, it should be something that adds to the RP of the server as a whole.
I also agree with a quality standart. But one thing is evaluating a factions RP and act accordingly , another is bash them for no good reason other than the fact that they are unofficial and that their RP is the same as the official factions one. As i stated , there can be quite diferent RPs inside a NPC faction.
Anyways , i seem to be going off-topic a bit. Lets just drop this for now.
Would you like to see an Unofficial Faction sub forum - hack - 05-24-2009
' Wrote:I want to avoid that as much as possible which is why we're going to be looking at ways to ensure that every faction, offcial or otherwise meets a certain standard of behaviour. A faction on Discovery should be more than a collection of tags, it should be something that adds to the RP of the server as a whole.
Gotta agree with Del here.
Whilst I have seen some Decent Unofficial groups, there are more that cause trouble.
Would you like to see an Unofficial Faction sub forum - SigCorps - 05-24-2009
' Wrote:And what exactly is the blessed point? We'll end up knee deep in unofficial factions ignoring official faction RP. Oh wait that's pretty much happening now. What would be nice is if folks actually joined up with the official factions and devoted time to those. Instead what we are seeing are folks too eager to lead unofficial factions which place their own RP above and beyond the RP of anyone else to the point of completely ignoring any other faction that may exist alongside their own.
Sorry to say but Discovery is built upon the work of official factions, they've put the time and effort into creating the story and immersive atmosphere for which Discovery should rightly be proud.
Unofficial factions are exactly that and frankly if unofficial factions want any of the benefits of official factions they should stump up the cash and run the gauntlet of the Faction Creation Requests forum.
How on earth would we end up with any more unofficial faction posts then what we already get. I am not saying we need a whole new slew of factions...just a place to put all the information we have on them. Not all of us Unofficial factions are ready to go official.
OSI only has 3 members are the moment. We have also not yet been around the required 4 months you have to be in order to post. As for stumping up the cash, as you put it, that we have and have had for months. Do I want to go Official, yes. We have about 15 days to wait till we have been about for 4 months and need three recruits and we will meet all the requirements. Our RP is not way out there and fills a nitch that I think no one else really does. We play within the RP of others and heck my character is a member of the Council of Zoners and is helping set policy there. I think the only thing that may stop us from going official is that we are too much a nitch faction. I think that is what is killing recruiting and I think that would also get us denied if we did try to go official. I am trying to figure out how to solve that issue.
As for being apart of an Official faction I have. Personally I think I have made a bigger difference as an Unofficial faction leader then a cog in the machine of an Official faction.
Del all this post was every about was a place to put all the information, so it was not scatted about in several forums, in several formats. Those that are not going to make it or cause problems are never going to make it and are going to cause problems where ever they post. But those of us who are serious and want to try to work within the system and become a part of discovery and make this a better, immersive game, would like that opportunity. Yes as an Admin I can see where you have had tons of issues with Unofficial factions. I have read the posts and sanctions. I have also read the ones with the Official factions concerned. Any faction can cause a problem.
The general over all attitude towards Unofficial factions is fairly scary. It seems that Admins do not like them. All the "Big" folks do not like them. While yes this is not a public server, we all play here and I think if we play within the rules we should all have a chance to do as we please. Yes I think all factions should stay within the Disco story line and not step on other factions RP. But I do not think that just because someone comes up with a new idea that it should be shot down automatically because it is new or different then from what we have going already.
If the Admins are coming up with a new format or rule for all factions, Official or other wise then I can not wait to see it. At that time I will adjust the OSI to fit those new standards.
Would you like to see an Unofficial Faction sub forum - Tomtomrawr - 05-24-2009
But why is it that because some idiots who make some unofficial faction that already has an official faction for it (lets say the Rheinland Military) that all unofficial factions get cursed for it?
I can't give any examples as very few unofficial factions look bad anymore, but because of the past where people who have been on the server for five minutes make an intent thread all the unofficial factions are seen that way.
My point of view, don't curse me or shout "YOUR WRONG!"
I voted Yes by the way, I would like to see a sub-forum like that.
Would you like to see an Unofficial Faction sub forum - ProwlerPC - 05-24-2009
Well probably not a whole new sub-forum but the current one should probably get little more TLC.
I would like to point out that handing in 500mil for the Official Status application is in fact by far the easiest part of the Guantlet Del mentions. If it were so easy there wouldn't be a list of applicants who paid the fee but haven't received official recognition. After the fee is paid all your groups efforts in making the story will be put up for public scrutiny. Think of it as a feedback thread but with scrutiny amped up. The public picks apart every mistake and criticizes every inconsistancy. Throughout this period the leader has to maintain patience and be willing to adapt. This is hard to do as in the leader's eyes it may seem like he threw his hard work into a pit of hungry wolves. The patience pays off though because in the end you come out with an official faction that, while created by the original leader, has become refined by the community so that it may enter into said community and make the contribution that it is supposed to.
Would you like to see an Unofficial Faction sub forum - Thexare - 05-25-2009
' Wrote:Unofficial factions are exactly that and frankly if unofficial factions want any of the benefits of official factions they should stump up the cash and run the gauntlet of the Faction Creation Requests forum.A question regarding the money:
What does trading ceaselessly in a lawful transport have to do with a Corsair faction proposal?
I would much rather play the game and establish a faction's presence that way than be forced to trade on a completely unrelated character before the admins will consider possibly maybe granting us one or two minor priveleges and the right that we all should've had from the start: the right not to deal with people acting like we're "beneath" them.
But, what do I know? I'm just another clueless indie.
Would you like to see an Unofficial Faction sub forum - ryuka.shinigami - 06-01-2009
' Wrote:I would much rather play the game and establish a faction's presence that way than be forced to trade on a completely unrelated character before the admins will consider possibly maybe granting us one or two minor priveleges and the right that we all should've had from the start: the right not to deal with people acting like we're "beneath" them.
But, what do I know? I'm just another clueless indie.
Woo, go indies!
We make Disco go 'round!
Oh, and secondly, that's what I've been wondering this entire time but could never find the right words.
Why do we have to spend hours to days to weeks to months just to gain enough credits JUST to let other people view, critique, and etc, a faction?
What if we never wanted it to be official in the first place?
Maybe it's for another server, but we want advice?
Many MANY different reasons that we shouldn't have to spend almost an eternity just to gain some forum space.
Would you like to see an Unofficial Faction sub forum - Phr34kn_Phantom - 06-01-2009
I voted yes, we need a place for our crap, we need a place to put the rules controlling us, we need a place to call home. :)