' Wrote:Unfortunately threads like these do little to change the circumstances. Everyone here on the forums will agree with you, and yet nothing will change in game.

' Wrote:Another thing I've noticed is that Indy Rogues seem to be spilling over into Leeds. Which is where Ethan's statement came from.

We've seen Rogue Destroyers rocking around (although it was useful because we happened across it while being chased by the BAF, which made for a really good diversion), Rogue Gunboats (which we also ran across while being chased) and more than a few Barghests. And each time we killed the Barghest because it:

1) Annoyed us.
2) Tried to steal some goods we were sitting on while waiting for the pick up transport.
3) Wouldn't pay it's dues.

So yeah, Bretonia's holding it's own against the Rogue tide, but I'm slightly puzzled as to what they're doing there. Also, I feel for the law enforcement in Liberty, but seeing as I don't go to Liberty, like ever, there's not a lot I can do to help.

Well, as Ethan said, we can keep sending the bodybags back, but meh.

' Wrote:its a bit strange really.

for a long time - it was said that the "police does not need big ships. - even gunboats were considered "bad RP" for the police"

mind you - that standard was mostly suggested BY the police itself! - i have not seen many pirates saying "oi, you police lot, you must not fly gunboats against us"

so - the best counter to gunboats are ( surprise ) destroyers. - but the police factions cut themselves from those ships - by their own free will.

now you really cannot complain that you have no effective counter against gunboats. - the official police refused to allow the use of such large ships ( out of the responsibility not to spin the capital ship spiral more upwards or other reasons - who knows ) - but cause YOU don t want to use the large ships doesn t mean that the same must apply to the enemy that never asked NOT to use gunboats etc.

when players say "bombers own everything" - be my guest - deploy masses of bombers - if there are players to fly them. but it really was the police factions themselves that voluntarily wanted not have destroyers and battleships listed in their ID. - it was not a demand of the pirates.

its like saying "we zoners have decided not to use capital warships at all anymore! - how DARE you nomads to attack us with battleships!!!"
edit:

what does a pirate want? - he primarily wants to rob traders and either avoid the police or successfully fight the police. - that is RP. if he wants to "match" the opposing police forces - he must rely on the police forces to play fair, too. - i daresay, there are enough pirates that got attacked by overwhelming forces when they were trying to pirate in a single bomber or even a fighter. (only, no police would ever come to the forum saying "whoa, these pirates - we owned them 3 to 1 easily!" )

the gunboat is the best piracy vessel. - when used in rediculous numbers - every ship is a pain. when facing such a threat like 4 gunboats bunched up or more. it would become a matter of the military. - and the military CAN deploy a battleship against them - and thats also totally fair. no one that is serious about it will complain that a house military used a dreadnought to chase off 4 gunboats that were too much for the police to take and had it "their way" all the time.

' Wrote:see a fight you cant win? cruise to the nearest base and log off. the best way to avoid getting stressed over a game is to avoid situations that will give rise to stress. when you know that you will get pwnt and you still willingly head on to fight against all odds, I'd call you stupid. not every fight is meant to be won, learn to pick your battles.

HOWEVER, with that said, the number of gunboats (outcast gunships primarily) has risen tenfold, specially taking into consideration that it has 8 guns, the perfect hitbox allows it to dodge supernova shots, it can tank fighters/bombers, and spam 1 missile continuously to keep bombers/fighters off its back. in 4.84, there were too many LNS caps to counter pirates. pirates get pissed off at the repeated ganks, so they upgrade to gunboats too, just when the LN try to curb the spam of caps. ironic, and sad, really.

' Wrote:LPI isnt allowed to use bombers?

O.O

Now really then your roleplay draggs you down in some cases. Looks a bit strange.

It seems only normal pirates left in Liberty now is LR, who are sick of cap lawfuls as much as LPI sick of rogue GB's
P.S And BTW, corsair vhf is the most multirole ship I ever seen. nO wander you can easily pirate in it alone.

' Wrote:Don't worry, you won't have any trouble from me. I don't have any gunboat characters, let alone pirate ones.

Still, I agree that it is a problem. Perhaps you should all start flying bombers, then go on a massive crusade through all of Liberty, killing all of the pirate funboats you see. Then, keep doing this until you see them switching to fighters/bombers. Then get in your funboats and kill them:P.

' Wrote:This situation is the only one that I can see fit to give power to the official factions like LR to limit their cap numbers. I propose that the official OC faction and all official factions have TOTAL control over all capital class vessels. This would mean that if your not part of the official faction, you can't have anything bigger than a bomber. Sure there will be major groaning at this remark but, it is the only way in which I can see the problem being solved once and for all. This way factions will be able to control what their gunboats are doing because they will be able to accept RP stories of people they see fit to be in their factions.

' Wrote:yes - but you, the police *chose* not to use, as you say - APCs, humvees or light tanks. - who can say what the police looks like once there is crime in space and everyone is allowed to freely buy or craft weapons of mass destruction.

sure you can still stick to cars all you want.... but you cannot blame the other side for still using light tanks. - you may say "but we compare much better to RL in the 21th century" - and thats fair and good. - but frankly... who cares. - in ancient greece - a city defender was the hoplite, often one single naked guy with a spear and a helm.

the fact is - police factions were allowed large ships and they did not WANT to use them. - saying that others MUST follow the example is dictating one sort of RP on others.

' Wrote:yes - but you, the police *chose* not to use, as you say - APCs, humvees or light tanks. - who can say what the police looks like once there is crime in space and everyone is allowed to freely buy or craft weapons of mass destruction.

sure you can still stick to cars all you want.... but you cannot blame the other side for still using light tanks. - you may say "but we compare much better to RL in the 21th century" - and thats fair and good. - but frankly... who cares. - in ancient greece - a city defender was the hoplite, often one single naked guy with a spear and a helm.

the fact is - police factions were allowed large ships and they did not WANT to use them. - saying that others MUST follow the example is dictating one sort of RP on others.

' Wrote:Were they Buc|? I seem to recall the Bucaneers, a Bretonian Pirate Group, was using the LR IFF for lack of a better alternative.
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