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Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart - Grimly - 11-09-2009
Quote:Already addressed this - it's not happening. By server rules, only order and wilde ships (and the few approved BHG ships) can use nomad weaponry. The chart keeps the most advanced weapon on both sides - the nomad cannon and colada del cid - restricted.
Sorry, but the whole "Del Cid" line come with this. For now, I've seen only full nommy/codes/tizzie order lolships going around Gamma. I'll let you know the Black.Sails will kill them if they don't refuse to sell the weapons.
If you need shield busters, you have the deb mark 2 to fit your death hands and mark 1 to fit the reapers.
The only one I know he use a non-corsair ship as corsair is RUI.H and is limited in the Omicrons only. All others have no approvals of any sort.
PS : If we're granted the rights on tech usage, I want 2 nommies guns:P
Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart - Exsiled_one - 11-09-2009
You really do?
Meh...
Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart - ... kur nubėgo? - 11-09-2009
For me it looks like not as rp trade but more like "I want to get best stuff" thing. The big problem perhaps its in rp, but it will totaly mess the rp. Most fo the people will just get the best stuff possible no matter they should or shouldn't do that. And you are trying to encourage that justifying in rp agreement. This is ugly. Most of the corsairs already do not pirate and do not stick with corsair rp, and this gonna take the last trace of corsairishness from them, start using order ships instead of their own.
The thing would be atleast some way good if we would get something valuable in exchange. Yeah Order VHF is better, but it messes the Corsair rp of being proud of their own shipline. And to be openminded: your weapons are crap compared to salas. Reapers eats to much energy, and death hands do not work with 600m/s pulses.
Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart - Tovig - 11-09-2009
We will not share the Nommies weapons. It's a definitive statement.
You don't want to share the Tizzies ? Fine. Say bye bye to the Neph, and any Order weapons.
There is a different in the Order HC about this problem, some want to privilieging exchange with you and some don't. I am clearly on this side... Now.
Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart - ... kur nubėgo? - 11-09-2009
I will say bye bye to Order VHF with smile. Neither I would use it, neither I want to see other corsairs using it. Its just not corsairish. I know that Nyp.... something or how its called outstats titan greatly. And its quite better ship
Just think:
14500 hull (more bats) vs 13500 hull
Same power core
6 gn + 1 turret fronatl fire power vs 6 guns and one turret which shoots only in upper corrners on occasion
X angular turn of order vhf 1.17 then titans is 1.12
Same acceleration to max angular speed.
Titan has a bit harder hitbox. But thats its only advantage.
But I dont want Order ship. Im playing as corsair. And corsairs are proud of their shipline. But thinking about stats almost each corsair will want to use order vhf isntead of their own just for the sake of additional frontal turret. And this is.. come on. Im sick and tired of order ships camping corsairs bases already, and now this?
Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart - Tovig - 11-09-2009
' Wrote:I will say bye bye to Order VHF with smile. Neither I would use it, neither I want to see other corsairs using it. Its just not corsairish. I know that Nyp.... something or how its called outstats titan greatly. And its quite better ship
Just think:
14500 hull (more bats) vs 13500 hull
Same power core
6 gn + 1 turret fronatl fire power vs 6 guns and one turret which shoots only in upper corrners on occasion
X angular turn of order vhf 1.17 then titans is 1.12
Same acceleration to max angular speed.
Titan has a bit harder hitbox. But thats its only advantage.
But I dont want Order ship. Im playing as corsair. And corsairs are proud of their shipline. But thinking about stats almost each corsair will want to use order vhf isntead of their own just for the sake of additional frontal turret. And this is.. come on. Im sick and tired of order ships camping corsairs bases already, and now this?
Your problem is Order-Corsair alliance, I'm right ?
Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart - ... kur nubėgo? - 11-09-2009
You can't read?
Such treatys are for "get the best stuff" and im agianst it. I want to see corsairish corsairs. And orderers who stick to order tech. Besides its forbiden by the tech use chart to use those ships. I think not for "no reason"
Besides I think it might make things a bit unbalanced if we mix techs. And of course already mentioned side effect. widely used order ships while Corsairs have their own which are proud about. And should stick to it. But you wont explain it to every and single corsair player who isnt aware fo that or just want most pwnor equipment.
And what touches allaince, yeah actually I dont see why we are in alliance. But this all the diffrent matter, and it doesnt bug me. Since that alliance is only on paper and on info card. Neither Orderers helps corsairs fight off the outcasts and such. Neither Corsairs helps Orders agians nomads.
Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart - Blaze - 11-09-2009
Yes the only thing the alliance is for is to enhance their technology
Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart - McNeo - 11-09-2009
' Wrote:Sorry, but the whole "Del Cid" line come with this. For now, I've seen only full nommy/codes/tizzie order lolships going around Gamma. I'll let you know the Black.Sails will kill them if they don't refuse to sell the weapons.
....
As much as I'd like to mount nomad blasters again... because they're pretty and match with salamancas...
And as much as I agree with you in that I only see nepthys' with 2 tizzies, 2 nomads and 2 codes...
If you interfere with the decision made inside the council of elders.
You'll probably get shot by everyone.
Thats the way it works.
Corsair-Order Technology Use Chart - Tenacity - 11-09-2009
Quote:Sorry, but the whole "Del Cid" line come with this. For now, I've seen only full nommy/codes/tizzie order lolships going around Gamma. I'll let you know the Black.Sails will kill them if they don't refuse to sell the weapons.
If this chart goes through as-is, you'd be OORP for doing so. I would hope you have the intelligence not to get your new faction sanctioned for something so petty, grimly.
Quote:PS : If we're granted the rights on tech usage, I want 2 nommies guns tongue.gif
For the third and final time, it's not happening.
Quote:For me it looks like not as rp trade but more like "I want to get best stuff" thing. The big problem perhaps its in rp, but it will totaly mess the rp. Most fo the people will just get the best stuff possible no matter they should or shouldn't do that. And you are trying to encourage that justifying in rp agreement. This is ugly. Most of the corsairs already do not pirate and do not stick with corsair rp, and this gonna take the last trace of corsairishness from them, start using order ships instead of their own.
The only order ships openly available would be the anubis (useless) and the nephthys (which is, IMO, weaker than the titan, and no half decent sair pilot would really use one). If you're really worried about a few players using fighters... well, I dont even have a response to that, it's laughable.
Quote:The thing would be atleast some way good if we would get something valuable in exchange. Yeah Order VHF is better, but it messes the Corsair rp of being proud of their own shipline. And to be openminded: your weapons are crap compared to salas. Reapers eats to much energy, and death hands do not work with 600m/s pulses.
What you get in exchange is our superior capship weaponry, including cap missiles, which you do not currently possess. Go compare basic cap missiles with ours, and tell me which you would prefer.
Quote:Such treatys are for "get the best stuff" and im agianst it. I want to see corsairish corsairs. And orderers who stick to order tech. Besides its forbiden by the tech use chart to use those ships. I think not for "no reason"
It's forbidden because xoria listened to malcontents like you instead of the majority of the order and corsair leadership groups when writing it. Look at almost every other allied faction on the chart, and their boxes are green.
Quote:Neither Orderers helps corsairs fight off the outcasts and such. Neither Corsairs helps Orders agians nomads.
You're right about the latter, but I cannot count the number of times that I've saved that sorry little rock of yours when the outcasts came lolling about, and not even gotten a 'thank you' from the corsairs present. Sometimes you can be a pretty ungrateful lot, y'know?
Anyways, the primary reason the order wants this is so that we can gain access to a decent freighter, and a decent light fighter. The tizonas are nice to have, yes, but apparently our fighters have been using debs for some time now.
If you're really going to bitch this much about the chart, I'll remove the nephthys, remove all weapon use (say bye to the cap missiles and our superior cap turrets), and we'll just take your fighters when we need them without giving anything in return. Does that seem fair to you? Because that's the other option here, and I wrote up the chart the way it is because I wanted to be fair to both sides for technology gain.