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Buff the Order VHF Bastet. - mjolnir - 12-10-2009 ' Wrote:But the Titan turned slower and has more armour. Actually not. Nephthys has 1k more amor, 5 more bots/bats and turns faster. Yes it's a big bigger, but still guns that are "uber" on titan suck on nepthys? Buff the Order VHF Bastet. - Sprolf - 12-10-2009 Naw, I was saying the exact opposite of what I meant - devil's advocate, if you will. Your facts seem to be empirical and your logic quite sound. Buff the Order VHF Bastet. - Elsdragon - 12-10-2009 I tihnk they are really complaining about the drain from those neutron guns. Maybe the Lasers could be made for the energy consious in mind? Buff the Order VHF Bastet. - Sprolf - 12-10-2009 Use a Nephthys if you need more energy. Buff the Order VHF Bastet. - sovereign - 12-10-2009 ' Wrote:Once again, due to a stupid and needless server rule, we can only use two of those nomad guns on any order ship. Please look at Ench's math. A Bastet with 6 Nomad Energy Blasters would pretty much be a pwnship. Hell, Das Wilde doesn't use full compliments of them, even though we can... those things are crazy-good. A Wraith with 4 of these would be absolute murder. In my opinion they're amongst the best guns out there (Lamia still wins that). As I said in the thread about the Krakens, look at the energy usage. Compare it to any other gun with remotely similar DPS. Then look at the energy usage a few more times if it doesn't "click". Here, I'll do it for you: Nomad Energy Blaster (non-NPC) 2340 damage per second 376 energy per second 700 range 600 speed 4.00 refire Nomad Energy Cannon (non-NPC) 2136 damage per second 339 energy per second 700 range 600 speed 3.03 refire compared to a selection of similarly damaging guns and your own Order guns: Arquebus (Gallic Brigands) 2,176 damage per second 588 energy per second 600 range 600 speed 5.88 refire Black Widow (Xenos) 2,340 damage per second 700 energy per second 550 range 700 speed 4.00 refire Death's Hand (Order) 2,000 damage per second 583 energy per second 600 range 750 speed 8.33 refire Kalashnikov (Coalition) 2,352 damage per second 682 energy per second 572 range 715 speed 3.03 refire Kraken (Outcasts) 2,224 damage per second 504 energy per second 700 range 700 speed 4.00 refire Reaper (Order) 2,240 damage per second 532 energy per second 550 range 600 speed 4.00 refire If you still can't see why you're only allowed two of them then you should never even glance at the balance section ever again. Oh, and as a preemptive response to anyone who says "zomg nomads are pvp whores look at those guns" the Keepers don't use the Energy Weapons at all and I've yet to see a Wild (Das Wilde or Iseijin) with more than two of them. EDIT: I just ran a few more numbers in case the "six Nomad Energy Blaster Bastet" didn't jump out as crazy enough. 94 * 6 * 4 = energy usage per sec = 2256 585 * 6 * 4 = DPS = 14040 Bastet power capacity = 10400 regen = 1100 recharge time = 10400/1100 = 9.45 seconds draw per second for firing 6 blasters: 2256-1100 = 1156 10400/1156 = 9 seconds of full firing, after which DPS drops to half 9 * 14040 = 126311 damage before DPS drops to half rough average GB base hull (before armor): 100000 shield DPS: 14040 / 2 = 7020 shield damage across powerplant expenditure: 126311 / 2 = 63155 battleship shield regeneration per second: 4800 Two so armed Bastets could theoretically destroy a battleship. It would never happen, but still. One so armed Bastet might be able to thrash a gunboat, given a bit of time. A squadron of these things would be nigh-unstoppable. No, I don't think anyone is going to let you have one of those anytime soon. Buff the Order VHF Bastet. - Mounteblanc - 12-10-2009 ' Wrote:I tihnk they are really complaining about the drain from those neutron guns. Maybe the Lasers could be made for the energy consious in mind? At less DPS and more energy per second, I think a re-working of most laser weapons to make them more energy efficient would be a good idea. Here's the stats of the Reaper and the Death's Hand, with Hull per second, Shield Per Second, Energy per second, and speed: Reaper: 2240/1120 532 600 Death's Hand: 1999.2/999.6 583.1 750 While the Death's Hands are more accurate, they have more EPS and lower DPS. Laser weapons are kinda fail right now. Oh, and assuming that you supplement the Reapers with Nommie blasters, they are quite probably one of the most uber-godly weapons ever. Nommie Blaster: 2340/1170 376 600 Yeah. Don't complain about your Reapers when you've got access to these, even if you only get two. Buff the Order VHF Bastet. - Tenacity - 12-10-2009 I agree, if people are going to bitch about 6 nomad cannon bastets, then at least rework our laser weapons for efficiency. The same wouldnt hurt most factions that use them. Buff the Order VHF Bastet. - Boss - 12-10-2009 ' Wrote:Here's some MathCraft. Can't use six Widows, it only has four Nines, and two Eights. Mine has four Widows and two Suntigers. Also, *cough* Bastets with Ahrimans *cough* Buff the Order VHF Bastet. - mjolnir - 12-10-2009 Laser guns are mostly 750 m/s / 8.33, Death's Hand being no exception there. I say again 750m/s / 8.33. = sure hit, combine with 750 m/s debs, mount on LF/HF/Fast VHF and enjoy. Buff the Order VHF Bastet. - Tovig - 12-10-2009 ' Wrote:Laser guns are mostly 750 m/s / 8.33, Death's Hand being no exception there. Erm, anyone ever killed somone in PvP with lasers ? 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