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Use of Capital Ships - Thexare - 01-12-2010
' Wrote:And lastly.. I would LOVE to just come and watch a battleship in action in a battle. Is there a particular area where I can just some and be an observer to enjoy a wicked battle (yes, I'm sort of asking to watch a live movie in freelancer lol). I have never seen these things going all out in a pitched fight and really want to see that kind of action.. fights ziping around, gigantic ships close quarters fighting, massive guns and torps flying back and forther, the massive explosions!Make a Camera Ship. Make some popcorn. Wander the Omicrons. Or see if you can get permission to bring your camera ship to an event as an observer. Either should get you plenty of action to watch.
Show me the explosions! lol
Use of Capital Ships - Shryke - 01-12-2010
If bombers weren't effective against caps you'd have even more rampant cap spam.
Let me put it to you this way, how many battleships do you see in the US/British/Russian/etc Navy? None; they are vulnerable sitting ducks.
Use of Capital Ships - Cannon - 01-12-2010
' Wrote:Improve Battleships 10x. Remove battleships from selling points and make them admin only.
No, never (I hope).
Quote:... you need to get the 1 billionish cash AND get huge amounts of hull panels, engine components....you get me. This can encourage team effort and an RP effort into this.
It would fun (I think) if you had to deliver a certain amount of materials to a particular location to get your ship built...but only if it was completely automatic: Buy stuff, deliver it, add cash, wait, new ship. Admins should not be involved in this sort of player activity.
Perhaps we could have two options:
- Buy ship with cash = expensive (current prices)
- Buy ship with commodities + some cash = less expensive.
I know a number of factions already do this when they commission a new big ship.
Besides we don't really have a problem with lots of big capships at the moment. The loldent is somewhat spammed and this might be a problem, maybe. Even if this is an issue, restricting BSes doesn't fix it.
Use of Capital Ships - Zeela - 01-13-2010
' Wrote:If bombers weren't effective against caps you'd have even more rampant cap spam.
Let me put it to you this way, how many battleships do you see in the US/British/Russian/etc Navy? None; they are vulnerable sitting ducks.
Hello,
battleships of today got scrapped becose their utility use doesnt match that of 90 aircrafts on carrier or tens of nuclear warheads in submarine. It has nothing to do with their vulnerability, in ww2 battleships died to aircrafts becose of human factor, today (well at start of 90s) when Missouri had computer guided anti-aircraft machineguns, flak cannons and missiles it could easily wipe all aircrafts from carrier without them hitting it.
But battleships are made to fight battleships and since terrorists and pirates dont have battleships there is no need for them.
As for Disco and its pirate battleships well in my oppinion that was mistake when you designed this mod. Although they are nice and all. But pirates would feel unfairly treated without them?;)There is a rumor text on Malta and Crete in Freelancer saying that they dont need capital ships becose they have superweapons on ground that can shoot down anything in orbit of said planets.
That was also balance of original freelancer, Liberty had weakest fighters but they enjoyed supports of numerous capital ships, the more you went into game each faction you visited had less capital ships and more powerful fighters. Houses ended with Rheinland which had just one battleship in hamburg that suvived 80 years war and very good fighters (doesnt count single player nomad assisted build up) and finally edge worlds where there was no capital ship at all but most advanced fighters in game.
Zee
Use of Capital Ships - 75th Mosquitos - 01-13-2010
im sorry i skipped about 3 pages when i got to the last quote i used.
' Wrote:IMO Thats what Caps are supposed to be like... the shouldnt die to a lone bomber... it should take an entire squadron or another capship to down one... and they should cost 10-15 times more than they do now
^ this is true
' Wrote:Caps should be for fighting other capital ships. Which means BIG, MEAN AND UGLY , just like Rheinland BS. Id make their armor like 10-20 of current value, add some guns and actually, made the primary anti cap guns ammo dependant so folks might like start using some supply / repair ships. Its not purpose of the fleet battle to wipe out enemy. Why not just damage it and RP one less BS to worry about until they fix it?
^ this is very true
' Wrote:to all of you bomber-lovers whining that battleships should run from 2 bombers... Consider that RP wise they are the most destructive weapon in Humanity's arsenal. it is the meanest ship in the skies. Bombers can already solo everything cruisers and down, with skill. Balancing against lolwuts is about as effective as a screen door on a submarine.
And there are FAR more lolwuts flying bombers than battleships. Why? becuase bombers can pirate. 1 bomber can make mincemeat out of all but the most armed transports, namely the shire. 2 of them? roast any transport. Guys, as much as its fun, keep in mind there ARE OTHER PEOPLE who play those other ships. There is no justification of making the other ships as useless as urinating on a tank. None, At. ALL.
So before you complain "battleships are over powered" Take a good long look. Your flying a fighter sized ship with a unblockable gun that doesent use ammo and has a 2k range... and does almost CRUISER lm damage. Sorry, guys in the bombers, but your not the damn king of the battlefeild RP wise. and PVPwise, you should not be either. Bombers can currently be used to take on ANYTHING. from piracy to battleship swarming. You want to limit the fun of players in caps? Time for YOUR fun to be cut down too. It would be a nice change of pace.
^ holy ****.... i mean sombody with a brain here finally. fking signed
get rid of the Super Fagetry Nova LoL Kaboom Cannon and you will find balance being GREATLY restored. bombers should rely on torpedos alone, that is it, a single fighter would never be able to queeze out a shot like that in its wildest dreams. without taking serious hull damage or shield drain from doing so. the gun has no waekness, at all, bombers can shoot it and then still shoot you with there various other bomber weapons.
using a SNAC should either, drain all your power and lower your shields, drain you all your power and damage your hull, or run on NOT A LOT of ammunition.
and all this talk about "battleships dont exist nowadays" because there is no need for such a ship to exist anymore they were made impracticle and vulnerable to bombers BECAUSE OF GRAVITY, carriers wouldnt exists either if they didnt have planes/aircraft on and in them.
if they made a battleship now it would be the king of the sea, because they dont rely on primitive machine gun/cannon weaponry any more on ships to take out fighters and bombers, they have radar guided POINT DEFENCE SYSTEMS to take out missiles, and missiels to take out fighters and other ships, modern warships only have cannons for close quarters worst case scenarios,
a battleship of the Era freelancer is from would NEVER have to worry about anything other than another battleship or a cruiser flotilla, it would have point defences for your lol bombers and there torpedos, it is a trillion credit (or so it should be) fully equiped battle platform, the only reason it cant run is because it should never have to....period.
the trade off in a battleship should of course be, your speed, battleships shouldnt be able to mount a thrusters, if they go anywhere, they should go at snails pace, they are slow because they dont need to be fast.