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DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Reverend Del - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:If I ever resurrect my LN char and catch any, I'll send you some SSs.
Essently, potshots at the admin team for killing off ZAS....
Potshots at the balnce team and Mjolner for sucking....
Potshots at the IND because theyre so rich
Potshots at Zealot casue its all his fault somehow.
With a liberal ammount of debate mixed in, then diluted when certain people resorted to being rude rather than debating.
Well Ive also heard talks of Joe personaly calling Liberty caps off of IND 5k power smuggler convoys as well. The way Lunaphase told it, he had wiped most of the convoy out, then Joe orderd em to ignore them and stand down.
And Ive seen other cases of people in house militaries with IND chars calling off indies or their own faction to let IND get to sell on occasion too.
I doubt Joe would do that, because he's caught me before and not let me go. Refuses point blank to scout Manhattan for me when he's on his LN, and other things which make me call shenanigans on that line.
As for other folks, provide actual evidence rather than hearsay and rumourmongering and I'll deal with it.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Nightsmoke - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:I meant as opposed to "used", since I have seen [IND] traders in Alaska, and then Omicron Minor in 4.85.
No matter though, I have had good RP interactions with them, so no harm. (I have also had bad, but that happens with everything really.)
Note, Zone 21 is not the only way to get to either of those places, not even close.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Zelot - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:Note, Zone 21 is not the only way to get to either of those places, not even close.
What that gy said.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - cmfalconer - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:Thus showing that you have not botherd to read the thread and are posting simply to flame.
While I really don't want to get into an argument with you, I would like to direct your attention to the bottom of page three in this little thread, where I spelled out at length what I would think to be a fairly decent solution to what Dusty originally posited.
But it was lost in the myriad of off-topic ranting about said pot-shots that you have so cleverly and subtlety embedded into your witticisms of concerning the ZAS, a group that I believe you said yourself you had very little to do with both on the inside and outside interaction.
While I applaud you in taking up the torch and championing a faction you seem to have just fallen in love with recently, I am not sure why you haven't taken the mantle before. Perhaps it was because there wasn't an opportunity to bash the administration before this.
Just a thought. I'll leave you to yours.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - n00bl3t - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:Note, Zone 21 is not the only way to get to either of those places, not even close.
' Wrote:What that gy said.
How about you read my post?
Unless of course, you are suggesting that from Alaska, which is already Z21 anyway, they went all the way around, through Rheinland to Omicron Delta, and then into Omicron Minor, for some inane reason.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:I meant as opposed to "used", since I have seen [IND] traders in Alaska, and then Omicron Minor in 4.85.
No matter though, I have had good RP interactions with them, so no harm. (I have also had bad, but that happens with everything really.)
With luck I'll start having some good ones.
back on topic, Liners should be general use BUT restricted to no more than 50 units of any non-human cargo.
1st breakage, warning
2nd, zeroing of credits, up to 100mil
3rd occurance, zero creds accross account, If has not replied to pervious sanc threads, bastille until they respond. If they respond rudley, let the ship stay in bastille for good, or until they delete it.
Prehaps have slaves count as RP cargo and not allow a liner to carry more than 50 units of those as well, to avoid them becoming a power smuggler craft of choice.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - farmerman - 04-05-2010
As to liners, here are my thoughts.
Prison Liners could be made rather general. The Houses would need lots of them and there'd be surplus old ones for sure.
Royal Liners should be rather restricted. Make them SRP only and buff them. Or make them into Bretonian Luxury Liners, without the RP restrictive basis, and then see below.
Luxury Liners should be general and really tough, but have some changes that may or may not be possible. My thought is to make them have very little cargo but make humans take up far less room in them only. So while it may only have, say, 300 cargo, it could carry just as many people as it can now.
Slave Liner should be restricted as a Slaver faction ship. Others can use it but require approval just like any other factionalized ship. It should then be made general.
So, really, you could make Liners = Transports, just possibly change the name of the Royal Liner and/or add specific infocard exceptions.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:As to liners, here are my thoughts.
Prison Liners could be made rather general. The Houses would need lots of them and there'd be surplus old ones for sure.
Royal Liners should be rather restricted. Make them SRP only and buff them. Or make them into Bretonian Luxury Liners, without the RP restrictive basis, and then see below.
Luxury Liners should be general and really tough, but have some changes that may or may not be possible. My thought is to make them have very little cargo but make humans take up far less room in them only. So while it may only have, say, 300 cargo, it could carry just as many people as it can now.
Slave Liner should be restricted as a Slaver faction ship. Others can use it but require approval just like any other factionalized ship. It should then be made general.
So, really, you could make Liners = Transports, just possibly change the name of the Royal Liner and/or add specific infocard exceptions.
Agree in principal execpt on two points
1- slave liner.... it should only be factionalized once a general use version comes out. Call it a 'Refurbished pilgrim liner'.
2- Royal Liner should be SRPd, and not general use. RP wise theyre just for high ranking goverment officals and corperate execs. That said, the SRP process for them should be streamlined.
' Wrote:How about you read my post?
Unless of course, you are suggesting that from Alaska, which is already Z21 anyway, they went all the way around, through Rheinland to Omicron Delta, and then into Omicron Minor, for some inane reason.
And thats why people so often dislike IND, they propose ludicrous theories of innocence all the time.
In RP it almost fits.. tho by now youd think the houses would start getting tired of them.....
OORP.......... dude just dont bother trying. We dont buy bull.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - n00bl3t - 04-05-2010
Well, I decided I should make a more on-topic post, and how better to start by saying, you did it wrong.
You buffed the prices of Liners, nerfed their defensive ability and then restricted them. Three prongs, when it would have only have taken one. That, effectively killed their usage, combined with a slow SRP system, it means no-one really uses them.
However, in an effort to change that, you now want to give it to OSC's control. Right.
' Wrote:Well, speaking as one who's flown different liners since 4.83, Liners and their cargo need some love.
I'm wholly in favor of taking the liner restriction out of IDs, instead going with the restrictions on cargo space and treating them like transports. BUT I would also like to see liners restricted to hauling no more than 50 units of non-human cargo. 50 is enough units to haul RP commodities, but I do not want to see every jackass flying around with Engine Components in their liners.
Liners aren't "tough shells of ships", they're purpose-built people-movers (except the Pilgrim, which should be reclassified as a transport, but that's another story). They should NOT be allowed to haul whatever they like, regardless of individual RP. Yes, N00blet, I'm calling for a restriction on "RP" by a rule. There are enough transports about that some transport pilot doesn't need a "stripped out" luxury liner to haul it's goods, there's no justifiable reason other than you want big cargo and big guns.
Also, I wouldn't even bother with putting them on the tech chart. Corporations are the only ones allowed to really fly anything above 5k, so keep that and make all Liner's cargo above 3800 and only those with corporate IDs can fly them anyway. That may mean that a Kruger can be flying a liner, by why would they when Liners are restricted to < 50 non-human cargo?
What this would entail, however, is a better system of passenger service than what we currently have. Right now in my Royal Liner, my route takes about 1.5 hrs for about 12 million profit. That's ludicrously low and a big reason PanGal and others aren't around as much. Trade factions (and I posit that OSC is such) need trade routes.
$.02
The fact is, your post says this, which negates anything plausible about it, which is "regardless of individual RP".
Corporate ID's were the ones abusing them the most anyway, so there is no real harm in letting other ID's use them.
That is a ridiculously low profit. Trade routes need a buff.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Politus - 04-05-2010
Meh, had a long post, decided to just say:
Since Liners are the only bulk people transports, make Lux Liners at the very least allowed on most IDs -including the generic Freelancer/Indie Trader ID- but put a cargo restriction for liners. Only human cargo -such as refugees, etc.- and necessities like foodstuffs are allowed to be held onboard.
Geisha and Democritus =/= Liners. They're Yachts. You don't move people in a Yacht. One or two rich people, or a small group thereof, and their servants go aboard a yacht with a lot of luxury goods. If they're a diplomatic envoy, maybe some goods of the entity they represent.
But they aren't, in my eyes, designed to really transport large groups of people. Liners are.
The Pelican, same general boat as the Yachts. It transports one or two dangerous criminals, or a few VIPs, and supporting goods, and guards. It's not a large people transporter.
Make the people transporters -LINERS- generic for the most part, but with cargo restrictions. .smite the people who violate.
If that is done, I don't see what the problem is.