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RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Zen_Mechanics - 03-05-2014
(03-05-2014, 05:14 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: @SMI-Great.Fox - so, your solution is to not only let the Zoners keep their current ships as they are, but ALSO give them a new transport as well?
I don't really see this "gap" in the Zoner shipline that you are imagining, especially considering that in addition to your snub, GB, cruiser, and BS line, and 5ker, you.also have the extensive civilian line open to you as well.
Why should any of the devs want to give Zoners more at this point, when all they do is whine/argue when any other changes get suggested/made for them? I don't think you should even be getting your own bomber (or any other new ships for that matter) unless there is some give somewhere else.
You have been de-basing quiet a few posts with that self rightousness, I can almost worm my hands with it - seriously, we understand you don't like zoners, you know what the best thing for you to do ? dont play zoners, and please - if you actually going to counter whine about us trying to protect our assets, open a new thread and go flame - otherwise, either submit proposals and ideas or stop being a tumor.
Thank you.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - E.T. - 03-05-2014
(03-05-2014, 04:51 PM)Garrett Jax Wrote: Ever since I offered myself to help the Zoners, I've been sworn at, yelled at and laughed at for my efforts. I am tired of the abuse and I'm removing myself from mediation on your behalf.
welcome to the world called disco, where the community only thinks on themselves rather then the big picture. Lucky you see it, better late then never.
I fought long time for zoners too, but when I was forced out of the picture it was a matter of time when others would give it up. The decision is now with the admins/devs and im sure more then enough is said about this topic its now time to wait and see. Let the official factions decide what to do as its rulewise THEIR right to decide and its their roleplay devs/admins looks at. The only difference with being in an official faction you now have a saying while Indy people won't. (sad to say but those are the rules once made by cannon/igliss
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Moberg - 03-05-2014
(03-05-2014, 05:33 PM)Major_Mayhem Wrote: For someone pointing out to a "majority of Devs", and when being asked how many Devs there were give "16 and few more" as answer, that shows a lack of understanding of basic Math
After checking how many people there are in the related chat, I must tell you that his math isn't off at all. Just because somebody doesn't have a yellow name does not mean that they are not developers and don't actively take part in the mods development.
Before you start to ridicule those things you should get your facts straight.
Continuing to QQ here about it is not going to help you at all. That you managed to drive a dev and an admin mediator out of your discussion, when both actually sought to help you, shows that the involved Zoners won't get far with their attitude.
You should start to act and do something constructive other than losing more and more supporters through whining.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Highland Laddie - 03-05-2014
@Tel - you're one to speak, sir. I don't play zoners, nor do I desire to, but that doesn't mean I'm not affected by what happens. I also think that makes my opinion just as valid as yours or any other player on the server.
Sure, call me biased because I believe that Zoners shouldn't just have everything that they want and then some, but you'll also find that's not a minority opinion on here. maybe I'm just a little less weary then others who have been making these arguments for years now.
but please, explain to me how, in light of recent discussions regarding zoner ships that the devs should give you more ?
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - xiphos - 03-05-2014
(03-05-2014, 05:43 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote:(03-05-2014, 05:14 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: @SMI-Great.Fox - so, your solution is to not only let the Zoners keep their current ships as they are, but ALSO give them a new transport as well?
I don't really see this "gap" in the Zoner shipline that you are imagining, especially considering that in addition to your snub, GB, cruiser, and BS line, and 5ker, you.also have the extensive civilian line open to you as well.
Why should any of the devs want to give Zoners more at this point, when all they do is whine/argue when any other changes get suggested/made for them? I don't think you should even be getting your own bomber (or any other new ships for that matter) unless there is some give somewhere else.
You have been de-basing quiet a few posts with that self rightousness, I can almost worm my hands with it - seriously, we understand you don't like zoners, you know what the best thing for you to do ? dont play zoners, and please - if you actually going to counter whine about us trying to protect our assets, open a new thread and go flame - otherwise, either submit proposals and ideas or stop being a tumor.
Thank you.
Wait, atleast he has a point. Zoner hater or not. With the exception of a Bomber they own a ship in each category. That's not something i would argue about.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - SMI-Great.Fox - 03-05-2014
(03-05-2014, 05:14 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: @SMI-Great.Fox - so, your solution is to not only let the Zoners keep their current ships as they are, but ALSO give them a new transport as well?
I never said that the ships a good measure of other players don't want changed, wouldn't be changed no? I gave an idea on a single ship, not the entire shipline. Until now.
(03-05-2014, 05:14 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: I don't really see this "gap" in the Zoner shipline that you are imagining, especially considering that in addition to your snub, GB, cruiser, and BS line, and 5ker.
Right. Let me hand you a pair of glasses to see what I see.
Quote:Current Zoner Shipline:
1 - SHF
1 - Gunship
2 - Cruisers
1 - Carrier
1 - Colony Ship
1 - 5k Transport
That's a messed up shipline when you compare it to other Factions/Houses and full of gaps.
Let's take a look at a House Shipline - Rheinland:
Quote:4 - Fighters (LF - SHF)
2 - Bombers
2 - Freighters
3 - Transports (3k - 5k)
1 - Gunship
1 - Cruiser
1 - Carrier
1 - Battleship
That's a pretty extensive shipline there. Nicely Balanced for itself (Give or Take) No one is complaining on that, and they can use Civ too.
This is my proposed Zoner Shipline revision:
Quote:1 - VHF
1 - Bomber
1 - Gunship
2 - Cruisers
1 - Colony Supply Ship (Nephilim Replacement Model)
1 - 5k Transport
1 - Carrier (Nerf'd)
1 - Colony Ship (Nerf'd)
Not much given, and not much taken. Works alongside what's been proposed and keeps ships around that people want to put in or not want to have removed. Therefore the revised line is not asking for much in order to keep a few things and introducing something new in order to keep people playing as Zoners. Correct me if I'm wrong to take out an Imported SHF and replace it with 2 different and useable snubs Zoners would wish to use, placing in a ship that can create new venues of RP for players wanting to stay as explorers and yet work alongside Colony ships, and then at the same time accomodate several people requesting to keep Zoner Capitals around from/for being missused/better fitting to lore/etc. So far there have been far more arguements on two single ships than the entire zoner shipline.
So prove to me why such a revised, and kept relatively small, shipline cannot work in order to satisfy both parties?
(03-05-2014, 05:14 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: You also have the extensive civilian line open to you as well.
Oh if I had a nickle for every time that was told to me..
(03-05-2014, 05:14 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Why should any of the devs want to give Zoners more at this point, when all they do is whine/argue when any other changes get suggested/made for them? I don't think you should even be getting your own bomber (or any other new ships for that matter) unless there is some give somewhere else.
I have yet to Whine/Argue in such and have only been giving ideas for others to work with. Therefore I am more than willing to help out still and work alongside Admins/Devs that are on this project. I'm virtually fed up with all the arguing and actually want both sides to agree on things together. Is it wrong to simply work together to see a common agreement instead of what we've been getting lately to show on the forums?
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - xiphos - 03-05-2014
(03-05-2014, 06:31 PM)SMI-Great.Fox Wrote: 1 - VHF[quote]
1 - Bomber
1 - Gunship
2 - Cruisers
1 - Colony Supply Ship (Nephilim Replacement Model)
1 - 5k Transport
1 - Carrier (Nerf'd)
1 - Colony Ship (Nerf'd)
There is absolutly no reason tp give the Zoners a shipline like this. They are NOT a house and they never will be. If this is going to happen i demand the same shipline for Kusari...
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Doc Holliday - 03-05-2014
Quote:Ever since I offered myself to help the Zoners, I've been sworn at, yelled at and laughed at for my efforts. I am tired of the abuse and I'm removing myself from mediation on your behalf.Not be me you haven't.
Quote:Caps don't keep you from being bullied, they tend to attract bullies to come and bully you.Oh really? We've had relative quiet in Baffin asides a few individual cases and while it's not an overabundance of caps there, it's enough to keep the system secure.
We have many an example of 3rd world countries that are bullied by those with bigger guns. Southern Sudan, Rwanda and recently Syria to name a few.
Quote:Hey, remember when the Zoner ID had unlimited ZOI and allowed to use any 5ker and dock anywhere and was THE powertrader's choice of ID?I do and it became an RP issue, house corporations claiming that Zoner were stealing business with a 5k whale and players called it powergaming. The developers made the change AFTER it was agreed to in RP!
Remember how it did not make sense when it came to the Zoner lore and it was removed and people whined terribly about all of their ships now being useless, since they could not trade between houses and be "house zoners"?
Quote:Sure, call me biased because I believe that Zoners shouldn't just have everything that they want and then some, but you'll also find that's not a minority opinion on here. maybe I'm just a little less weary then others who have been making these arguments for years now.
but please, explain to me how, in light of recent discussions regarding zoner ships that the devs should give you more ?
Trust me, Highland, we Zoners aren't handed anything. I've been a part of too many RP's to know this. I'm not fighting for more, I'm fighting to keep what we currently have in it's current form.
So maybe recently I haven't had the time to fight like I once did but I'll always be there in some way.
I've been told that the changes are done, that I should appeal to all of the developers. I think they've seen enough from me here to know my stance that I don't agree with these changes, that I don't think it's right that they were instated with little or no knowledge of the Admin team. If I had the time to write all day to each developer, I would but I have aircraft to keep airworthy and a military that isn't flexible on it's rules.
So if the changes are done, should I keep fighting a battle I can't win or just change Doc the character so something else more, um....dark? His efforts would be wasted after all.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - SMI-Great.Fox - 03-05-2014
(03-05-2014, 06:43 PM)xiphos Wrote: There is absolutly no reason tp give the Zoners a shipline like this. They are NOT a house and they never will be. If this is going to happen i demand the same shipline for Kusari...
House of Kusari Shipline:
Quote:6 - Fighters (LF - VHF)
1 - Bomber
1 - Freighter
6 - Transports
2 - Gunships (Includes Kusari Explorer)
1 - Cruiser
1 - Battlecruiser
1 - Battleship
You were saying?
Zoners do not have:
A Dedicated Bomber
A Dedicated VHF
A Dedicated Transport under 5k
A Dedicated Frieghter
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Moberg - 03-05-2014
I do not think that comparing the shipline of a loose group of individuals who happen to have similar mindsets and are spread all across Sirius and the shipline of full-scale houses will get you anywhere.