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RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Xylo - 03-07-2014
(03-07-2014, 05:34 AM)Gytrash Wrote:(03-07-2014, 01:56 AM)Kazinsal Wrote:(03-07-2014, 12:06 AM)Gytrash Wrote: PVP is not RP
This is pretty much false, considering that on Discovery, PvP is a key component of the roleplaying environment.
Then according to RP the Liberty navy already owns New Berlin.
Or whoever it is that's winning the capspam battles at the moment.
No, because who wins in a IRP PvP is just as unimportant to the gameplay of rest of the server as carefully written 100 page RP stories about pink ponies and furry Juggernought captains.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Gytrash - 03-07-2014
(03-07-2014, 05:39 AM)Xylo Wrote:(03-07-2014, 05:34 AM)Gytrash Wrote:(03-07-2014, 01:56 AM)Kazinsal Wrote:(03-07-2014, 12:06 AM)Gytrash Wrote: PVP is not RP
This is pretty much false, considering that on Discovery, PvP is a key component of the roleplaying environment.
Then according to RP the Liberty navy already owns New Berlin.
Or whoever it is that's winning the capspam battles at the moment.
No, because who wins in a IRP PvP is just as unimportant to the gameplay of rest of the server as carefully written 100 page RP stories about pink ponies and furry Juggernought captains.
Pastel yellow and Pink maned ponies thank you very much.
![[Image: fluttershy_trans.png]](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38493835/transmission%20bars/fluttershy_trans.png)
And I'm not sure what you mean by IRP PvP. Enlighten me please.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Xylo - 03-07-2014
IRP PvP is pvp that resulted from a role play interaction outside of Connecticut.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Gytrash - 03-07-2014
(03-07-2014, 05:43 AM)Xylo Wrote: IRP PvP is pvp that resulted from a role play interaction outside of Connecticut.
Faur nuff. No reason for it to be unimportant though. It should be important.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Xylo - 03-07-2014
We're all equally unimportant. Some of us just don't know it.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Gytrash - 03-07-2014
Found something the Devs might want to have a look at.
(11-05-2010, 03:32 PM)AeternusDoleo Wrote: // It would be handy if the dev's future plans for all systems in the mod were made public then, so players can adjust their RP accordingly, Jinx. Don't on one hand follow the admin edict of "everyone's free to RP their factions as they please" and then chain people with a dev railroading edict. Do one or the other: If it -needs- to go in one way, the admins need to step in, and do so before it gets further out of hand.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Jinx - 03-07-2014
so, whats your point - except that you gained an achievement in digging up really old quotes.
may i remind you that this is not a one person decision - but the result of the dev team on the matter? - you cannot push things through entirely on your own anymore. - there has to be consent by other devs - which in turn means - there is a whole bunch of people who make decisions who believe that the change is what needs to be done.
some of them are also admins.
meterial reviewed :
- lore written about the ships ( google document recently )
- intermediete essay by the 3 official factions regarding the issue - i could pick it apart thyrzul style - but no, it does not really scream "zoners must have battleship capable capital ships"
- pretty much all zoner threads, including the posts that are outright insulting ( cause you never know, maybe they actually have something to say )
- PMs ( but i ignore PMs by ppl who have been insulting or got to a personal level )
in the meantime we have kinda also looked at how the zoner player react on a social level - like ... social competence in terms of speaking to the ppl, how they acted in various channels with ppl who listened etc.
it all gives a nice picture of who demands what and for what reason.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Xylo - 03-07-2014
(03-07-2014, 12:07 PM)Gytrash Wrote: Found something the Devs might want to have a look at.
(11-05-2010, 03:32 PM)AeternusDoleo Wrote: // It would be handy if the dev's future plans for all systems in the mod were made public then, so players can adjust their RP accordingly, Jinx. Don't on one hand follow the admin edict of "everyone's free to RP their factions as they please" and then chain people with a dev railroading edict. Do one or the other: If it -needs- to go in one way, the admins need to step in, and do so before it gets further out of hand.
That's exactly what Jinx is doing. Making future plans public.
Disco had mobbing episode after mobbing episode after mobbing mobbing episode because some people decided that certain people should RP as their underling beeches and can't have bigger ships/stations than them even though they worked their own behinds off to get them. Towards the end the mob started attacking Jinx cause he modeled the models that made the mobsters feel insufficiently bigger and stronger, and he was one of the few trying to justify why its not absolutely totally impossible that they should exist.
Where were you guys when people were kicking the crap out of people with the justification that they can under no circumstances have those ships cause its totally oorp? Oh yeah... some of you didn't care, some were participating in the kicking.
Now, when your stuff gets taken too, because if its impossible for Zoners to have it why should your pastel pink-maned pony zoner have it, you blame and insult Jinx.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Zen_Mechanics - 03-07-2014
You know, I had my agreements with you - and I submit to you that despite the anger I can understand your position, I wouldn't trust them to hold a lemonade stand. Having said all that, you must ensure that those who do not abuse it can still keep a hold of it. too many times that things around here are generelised and its completely unfair to show the middle finger to people like myself. You see, I don't need any battletransport, nor I plan to rp a colony/battleship with a transport ( as suggested multiple times here ) - It may be old fashion, and I might sound like a nutball, but I actually require a physical representation of the battleship in order to rp a battleship. This means, I need the looks of it, and I need the stats of it. If I don't have those two, its easy to call my bluff and shoot me down, and what rp can that spawn? a battleship with no battleship capabilities. Yes it has a PvP sense in it, but lets be realistic, it all boils down to PvP - and Id rather be in the winning side, then the guy who "rp" but who got killed.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Xylo - 03-07-2014
You wanna RP as a winner, you gotta RP as 'murica. LNS-Manhattan.Project for the win.