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RE: Is Liberty Navy Still active? - Scumbag - 06-21-2013
This is why we can't have nice things...
RE: Is Liberty Navy Still active? - Silver - 06-21-2013
PvP factions suffer from what you call.. leader syndrome.
You need a visible strong leader, present at many things, running it by example, to run a faction successfully.
In the [LN], that was JihadJoe for many years, and that, are some very tough shoes to fill.
Nevermind the high hour of the server now tops at 140. And that the most visible LN you'll ever see are indie capitals.
Military factions are just like that.
Indie capitals.
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You need a visible strong leader, present at many things, running it by example, to run a faction successfully.
In the [LN], that was JihadJoe for many years, and that, are some very tough shoes to fill.
Nevermind the high hour of the server now tops at 140. And that the most visible LN you'll ever see are indie capitals.
Military factions are just like that.
Indie capitals.
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RE: Is Liberty Navy Still active? - Govedo13 - 06-21-2013
Sabre- quite wrong at all points.
1: How one can avoid metagaming if he is not aware what is metagaming according to discovery terms? Also how to do it when the "friendly" community helps you so much by reporting everything possible because they like to see you sanctioned?
2: Wrong too- money can buy you ships, POBs, Mercs to fight your battles, trade factions to deliver goods to your POBs etc. Money can buy you also numbers if you offer fully set ships to new players if they join your group. The only thing that money cannot buy is PvP skill.
Believe me as faction leader if you sit on one medium active faction treasure with let say 40-60 shared ships and bunch of billions and bunch of active good people you can do funny things. I managed to extort even ridiculous ransoms- 500m montly payments to enter the system, 1 b payment not to destroy your base and similar things, and people paid because we had the means and power to do all of the said things in-game. I was there in more better times when the server was more active in general and it was a lot of fun.
3: If he manages to bring 20 players in the game at each occasion and even half of them learn the basics of PvPing they would be the dominant group in Discovery lowpopulation 24/7. I personally would find such thing great because it would change stuff around the place for good.
4: See point 1,
5: Sabre you does not spread your friends around and play without them?
May be it is fun to be in your own pack where you know the people? Games are for fun not for the satisfaction of the existing low populated groups.
Also Silver is quite right- but this is rather problem for veterans not for the new players.
Also Kudos for Joe for keeping LN so good for so long time.
RE: Is Liberty Navy Still active? - LucasDarkhaven - 06-21-2013
Hey Sabre, sorry I offended you. I'm not waiving anything around, I'm simply exploring options for my clan who wants to play together and do it without stepping on any toes.
I'm simply doing my research into where we would best fit. If that wasn't the case I wouldn't be here right now taking your abuse and trying to figure out the community
Regardless , thanks for your advice, I'll take it into consideration.
RE: Is Liberty Navy Still active? - Thyrzul - 06-21-2013
(06-21-2013, 08:47 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: Learn to quote right next time. He can claim whatever he wants in RP, achieving it in game is quite different thing. If he cannot achieve it in game via legal means then he is powergaming. He can claim that he stole the blueprints of all of Sirian ships, but he cannot produce it by legal means in-game only by illegal means ( via just buying the ships by rightful owners vendors and claiming that he produced it ) he is quite all right to claim whatever he wants, he also can claim that he simply stole the said ships so he is coming out of the rules violation trap that you are so "nice" to set to him as new player.
The line is quite blurred if you does not have the experience with the local flawed way of thinking-sadly the biggest part of the server population is not mature enough.
Also healthy competition is one thing, organising bad stunts in order to get the new guy in trouble or to forbid him to do something that does not suit your faction interests but it is perfectly within the rules is other thing.
By no means I intended to quote anything, no clue where you got that from. As long as he only claims inRP that he is capable of stealing technology (read: intellectual product; inRP entity), he is all fine, once he tries to RP actually doing so without the consent of the owners of the technology, that is powergaming. Obviously he did not powergame this yet.
You first stated that stealing technology is well within the rules, to which interpretation I assumed you meant technology (read: intellectual product; inRP entity) as what he originally meant was that, but then you backed your claim with something actually applying for technology (read: material product; inRP and in-game entity), and that is why I made that remark. That was prior to your edit as you can see from the quote of your words in my post.
So as it turns out to be, you were saying the same as I did, but in an easily misinterpretable context. However it would be also great if you would calm down and leave your anti-social/anti-"vet"/anti-official-faction/wathever remarks outside. There are ways to help out new players without spitting hatred all over this thread and turning them against the rest of the community via false negative propaganda about the majority of us.
You first stated that stealing technology is well within the rules, to which interpretation I assumed you meant technology (read: intellectual product; inRP entity) as what he originally meant was that, but then you backed your claim with something actually applying for technology (read: material product; inRP and in-game entity), and that is why I made that remark. That was prior to your edit as you can see from the quote of your words in my post.
So as it turns out to be, you were saying the same as I did, but in an easily misinterpretable context. However it would be also great if you would calm down and leave your anti-social/anti-"vet"/anti-official-faction/wathever remarks outside. There are ways to help out new players without spitting hatred all over this thread and turning them against the rest of the community via false negative propaganda about the majority of us.
RE: Is Liberty Navy Still active? - Govedo13 - 06-21-2013
Telling the truth hurts I am sorry for that. If you can neutrally look up the reaction of LN people Grnraptor kid or whatever is his name you would see the things a bit different may be. Now imagine that you are the new guy in town and you receives such answer on your attempt to fit in something that you does not know.
As I said above it is matter of mature way of thinking nothing else.
RE: Is Liberty Navy Still active? - GrnRaptor - 06-21-2013
(06-21-2013, 08:32 PM)LucasDarkhaven Wrote: You would be surprised what 50 or so people can accomplish together. There are several trade routes you can make about 50 mil per route in about 35-40 minutes. Your a vet and uber trader so I am sure you know about these, and if your not politically involved its a lot easier to trade. Kusari is great for that as they are not enemies with any of the major houses. We've been using that house and id with large transports.
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I love math and would like to share a little formula with you. I assure you it is possible.
50 players
50 mil per trade route per 45 minutes
Average of 3 hours a day per player(Some play more, some play less)
2 weeks(14 days)
50players*14days*180/45three hours divided by 45 minutes*50,000,000mil(credits per trade route)=140,000,000,000
140 trillion is a lot more than the 7 trillion we have made, but we also have fighter escorts and we had to learn the game.
See, this is the thing. And it makes me wonder if you're playing on the "correct" server that this forum is for. Your formula may be correct and all, but the numbers are what I have issue with.
There are no "50 million profit" routes on the "Discovery Freelancer RP 24/7" server. That only things that you can sell for that much with a 5k transport are ores, and you usually need to buy that from a base or a miner, so profit is about 1/3 to 1/2 of that. And no one can fill 50 transports in that short amount of time anyway. The max profit from a one way trip, profit mind you, is 12 to 13 million, and that's after a good 20 to 25 minute trip flying half way across Sirius. That means a round trip will net you about 25 million in profit after 45 to 50 minutes. I know because I have a Whale that I use for this purpose. Your claims to 50 million in profit after 45 minutes simply doesn't add up.
Addtionally, I've never seen a spike in activity that would indicate that 50 people have all joined at the same time. There's a "Players Online" button under the "Menu" to the right that shows who's on; I've not seen anything that indicates such a massive convoy as you say you operate has ever been online in recent memory. I've certainly not seen your name in there.
All of this makes me question whether or not you're playing on the same server as everyone else here is. Remember, the server in the list we all play on this forum is "Discovery Freelancer RP 24/7". If you're playing elsewhere then nothing you have affects anything that occurs on this forum.
(06-21-2013, 08:32 PM)LucasDarkhaven Wrote: As for handing my character over to the police, be my guest. As for now we are all trading. And as for power gaming we did destroy a Rhineland fighter zooming out of liberty space, and he did claim he was doing intell for Rhineland and why do we care. Were looking to get involved politically and I felt I could do a little bit of the leg work now. And feel free to not respond, ignoring Lucas isn't going to make him go away, and several players have suggested we go to the Galia faction.
I look forward to seeing you in the server and your attempts to apprehend Lucas. And you not responding to the post would be the same as you denying it. Either way will accomplish an rp end
See, even if you are on our server, it doesn't matter to you what's established or not by lore or other players. You'll note that I didn't address the matter of your captured fighter, as that seems like it might have been legit. Capturing one fighter? Not powergaming. Taking the plans for every warship and going "do as you want, my will be done"? Now that's powergaming. And quite frankly, that's abrasive.
(06-21-2013, 08:32 PM)LucasDarkhaven Wrote: You seem fairly hostile so I believe I'll keep my trading char and that of my clan mates to myself until we are capable of defending ourselves.
That being said thanks for the warm welcome...
Uh, which is it?
(06-21-2013, 08:32 PM)LucasDarkhaven Wrote: and I am sorry if I sound abrasive, but entrenched vet groups don't intimidate me. Were competitive in any game we play and we are a mature group, we don't mind roleplay, we love competition, and we love a challenge.
I look forward to you giving me one.
Seeing as you're probably not actually playing on our server I don't think this matters right now.
RE: Is Liberty Navy Still active? - Sabru - 06-21-2013
Its good to see that you've paid attention to the communities concerns.
sorry about the yelling and hostility, but it tends to be required sometimes with this community.
Dont listen to Govedo, he's a grumpy jackass.
RE: Is Liberty Navy Still active? - LucasDarkhaven - 06-21-2013
I never said 50 of us jumped on at one time. Generally around 10 or 11 of us play in groups. Our clan is a multinational clan with players on at all times. Our team speak averages about 50-60 people at any given time.
Currently I have a route that I can buy at 2k and sell for 10k 8k*5k=40,000,000.
I assure you we are on the discovery 24/7 rp server, the most active one. I'm surprised a vet like you doesn't know about the most lucrative trade routes in the game, and a guy playing two weeks has found them.
Maybe your spending all your time in Liberty space...
Edit:
If its a big event or an invasion I could probably round up about 30 of us.
P.S
This discussion has degenerated in me defending myself instead of getting useful information. Plainly I feel words are cheap. I like to speak with results anyway. Look forward to seeing you on the server.
RE: Is Liberty Navy Still active? - GrnRaptor - 06-21-2013
(06-21-2013, 09:15 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:By no means I intended to quote anything, no clue where you got that from. As long as he only claims inRP that he is capable of stealing technology (read: intellectual product; inRP entity), he is all fine, once he tries to RP actually doing so without the consent of the owners of the technology, that is powergaming. Obviously he did not powergame this yet.
Actually, he did. -DELETED-
LucasDarkhaven Wrote:Secondly I don't have the plans in my possession
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Those that I left behind in other regions of space not controlled by Liberty will release the plans if we do not report in the allotted time.
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If I am not back in an hour you are to transmit the plans for the Liberty Cruiser to the Bretonians and Galians."
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This Rheinland fighter had plans for one of your cruisers aboard
So yeah, powergaming. That is, taking something he shouldn't have inRP at all and making a thing about it.
Govedo13 Wrote:Now imagine that you are the new guy in town and you receives such answer on your attempt to fit in something that you does not know.
As I said above it is matter of mature way of thinking nothing else.
Except he's not trying to fit in as far as I can tell. See the above quotes from his story, my first response, and my considered response to his reply to see why this is the case. I gave a rather welcoming and deconstructive answer in each case I've made.