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RE: Should there be more unique ships? - DarthBindo - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 05:28 PM)Safe Haven Wrote:No kidding.(08-07-2013, 04:37 PM)Hasteric Wrote: Narcotic tricked us all. What he meant was "Should there be more than one of each unique ship?"
Quote:10. Tell me why you need this to carry on with your life:
I don't - Discovery itself needs it.
Check your ego-privilege. This isn't Dabscovery
Also, where is Dab?
RE: Should there be more unique ships? - Omi - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 02:22 PM)jsantis Wrote: big somewhat conceited post
Dude, it's not like the Necrosis was going to do anything other than languish as useless chunks of data in the mod files anyway. The thing may as well be put to use by someone, no? Favouritism or not (it's probably not), better to have the ship flying actively around than not, in my book.
The only problem I ever had with unique ships (and shiplines/systems: see RoS) is that there's this disturbing trend of the player or players who get them disappearing off the radar some time after getting them, meaning they're never seen and people wasted time making them. I managed to catch a glimpse of all three of the Necrosis, Tundra and Satsuma, but as far as I know all of those were out of commission before Narcotic SRPed the Necrosis. I'm fairly certain K'Hara are keeping the Tundra from being inactivity wiped (though I don't think anyone is actually flying it) and I guess KNF or Kusari government or something have their hands on the Satsuma (though maybe not since Emperor-san is away drinking tea with the Brets), but if that's the legacy of newly-implemented unique ships then the problem of what to do with the old ones should be addressed first.
RE: Should there be more unique ships? - Duvelske - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 06:10 PM)Omicega Wrote: I'm fairly certain K'Hara are keeping the Tundra from being inactivity wiped (though I don't think anyone is actually flying it)
Zapp has it still i think its account is shared i do believe. But yes its not wiped. thats for sure.
RE: Should there be more unique ships? - Shagohad - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 06:10 PM)Omicega Wrote:(08-07-2013, 02:22 PM)jsantis Wrote: big somewhat conceited post
Dude, it's not like the Necrosis was going to do anything other than languish as useless chunks of data in the mod files anyway. The thing may as well be put to use by someone, no? Favouritism or not (it's probably not), better to have the ship flying actively around than not, in my book.
The only problem I ever had with unique ships (and shiplines/systems: see RoS) is that there's this disturbing trend of the player or players who get them disappearing off the radar some time after getting them, meaning they're never seen and people wasted time making them. I managed to catch a glimpse of all three of the Necrosis, Tundra and Satsuma, but as far as I know all of those were out of commission before Narcotic SRPed the Necrosis. I'm fairly certain K'Hara are keeping the Tundra from being inactivity wiped (though I don't think anyone is actually flying it) and I guess KNF or Kusari government or something have their hands on the Satsuma (though maybe not since Emperor-san is away drinking tea with the Brets), but if that's the legacy of newly-implemented unique ships then the problem of what to do with the old ones should be addressed first.
Conceited? These were things I did. I'm not peeing in a bucket and huffing the fumes. And I'm certainly not saying it to stick my finger in your eyes.
As to the rest of it, yes it's good to see it out and about, but at the same time no it's not. It was MON'STARR'S ship. He worked long and ahrd to get that thing where it was. And it started out when the Storta was still the Higaaran battlecruiser. Seeing that overwritten and done away with is somewhat troubling for the older members, especially when we had tried to do the same thing. If anything, it should be made an Outcast battlecruiser. That way it would open up a model to the public and still be useful to the mod.
The problem is that they can't delete ships and systems from the game. Doing so would corrupt data files and cause a lot of problems for the devs. THis is why they still have a lot of import ships floating around. They can't be deleted. They can only be moved. Same with systems. When a system undergoes changes, the bases move around. They can't be deleted.
What I'm saying is this:
Who will make these unique ships for us? Who will do the work that coders and developers have told us before that they don't like doing in their stead? Will Jinx run out and make these for us? Tycho? Doom?
RE: Should there be more unique ships? - Govedo13 - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 02:22 PM)jsantis Wrote: Appologies for the double post, but I just thought of this:This is post full of win.
Dollars to doughnuts says if I SRP'd a Raven Claw with four Black Widows and four Suntigers along with a terrorist ID, I'd probably not get it because I didn't spend damn near every day of my Disco career writing every little mundane trait and story of the character in question. Or because a lot of the admins nowadays would go, "Who the hell are you?"
Because I was too busy playing the game and making an impact within the actual mod itself. I felt like I had breathed a little bit of life into the XA. I had single handedly raised the Phantoms' active time to tolerable levels.
Some people (me inclusive) dislike to type long stories in the forum, I just prefer to play the game. So giving the unique ships to people that write stuff mostly and are rarely in game actually is not good thing.
The best solution is to put the said unique ships into the activity tracker with certain hours attached to them.
I also disapprove unique ships given to persons. All of them should belong to groups and factions so when one leaves the faction can carry on with the ship, if the ship does not do the required activity it gets removed permanently.
I also find quite stupid the Idea of bringing the Necrosis back under other RP, if the same RP and story is carried on I would love see it around.
Also most of the official factions should receive one unique ship as faction flagship as well.
RE: Should there be more unique ships? - Narcotic - 08-08-2013
(08-07-2013, 02:22 PM)jsantis Wrote: And I'm sorry, Narcotic, but you getting the Necrosis was cheese. Nothing against you, but that ship and the RP you submitted for it, although lengthy, was an import and it just looks fishy to see it given under those circumstances when we tried the same thing and were slapped into the damn dirt.
I see favoritism in all of these. And it'll be hard to make me see otherwise when you compare names to what they get and how they get them.
(08-07-2013, 05:28 PM)Safe Haven Wrote:(08-07-2013, 04:37 PM)Hasteric Wrote: Narcotic tricked us all. What he meant was "Should there be more than one of each unique ship?"
Quote:10. Tell me why you need this to carry on with your life:
I don't - Discovery itself needs it.
Check your ego-privilege. This isn't Dabscovery
No need to excuse. When I submitted my request, I knew that there'll be people complaining about favoritism and elitism and blame my character's roleplay not being inappropriate and not worth it. Actually I expected more complaints.
Maybe it's because I haven't logged it yet. And it's obviously for the better that I won't be able to log it within the next month, so people will forget about the background and are able to actually enjoy the ingame encounters.
However, what do you mean by the roleplay being an import? And if there was anyone else who'd have more deserved getting it, name him, so I can pass the pixels on.
Also, before commenting or quoting something, one should have at least a glimpse of the background and context. But why do I actually care about people's bitterness and enviousness. I actually enjoy people viewing me as elitist-thinking scum who is abusing his admin skype friends to achieve control of more special PVP-orientated toys with which he'll be epeen-waving all day while harvesting your tears.
I'll really enjoy my four-weeks-break.
RE: Should there be more unique ships? - Zen_Mechanics - 08-08-2013
I enjoy reading your stories, I think you do deserve the nec and you have one for a very good reason too.
I still think SRP requests should be "buffed" - Which Is why I believe every faction ( official/none-official) should have atleast 1 unique ship as its flagship.
Edit : Oh and you do hold some sort of influence among the higher ranks here, plain soldats such as ourselves can't push such things into their table, but I believe you can - and If you see that the majority approves this "message" [ Increasing the unique ships availability ] you should raise it in the admin's court.
RE: Should there be more unique ships? - Bootsiuv - 08-08-2013
(08-07-2013, 09:31 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: Also most of the official factions should receive one unique ship as faction flagship as well.
It's early, and mai brain is mossy....but I like this idea.
What if we made the maximum buyable class in game the cruiser, and each faction that was granted officialdom, or nonofficials being granted an srp, would get 1 - 3 battleships?
Then, buff the battleships by quite a bit, allowing them to be something to be feared, but also something extremely rare.
Perhaps a few large military orgs could receive 2 or 3. Then, if it rubs peeps the wrong way, change the names so cruzers are battleships, and the nao battleships are flagships.
It would add excitement in-game, to see one of the battleships and have it take out 5 or 6 snubs npnp.
Battleships should be something which are extremely expensive, thus extremely rare to all but the wealthiest factions i.e. LN, but they should also be able to withstand more than 2 snubs...
It's an idea. I understand the rehaul which would be required, and so am certain that it wouldn't be doable, but it would be cool nonetheless.
It would also add more "unique" ships, albeit those which belonged to a faction.
Again...mossy, so if that doesn't really make sense....sorru.
RE: Should there be more unique ships? - Shagohad - 08-08-2013
(08-08-2013, 09:00 AM)Narcotic Wrote:(08-07-2013, 02:22 PM)jsantis Wrote: And I'm sorry, Narcotic, but you getting the Necrosis was cheese. Nothing against you, but that ship and the RP you submitted for it, although lengthy, was an import and it just looks fishy to see it given under those circumstances when we tried the same thing and were slapped into the damn dirt.
I see favoritism in all of these. And it'll be hard to make me see otherwise when you compare names to what they get and how they get them.
(08-07-2013, 05:28 PM)Safe Haven Wrote:(08-07-2013, 04:37 PM)Hasteric Wrote: Narcotic tricked us all. What he meant was "Should there be more than one of each unique ship?"
Quote:10. Tell me why you need this to carry on with your life:
I don't - Discovery itself needs it.
Check your ego-privilege. This isn't Dabscovery
No need to excuse. When I submitted my request, I knew that there'll be people complaining about favoritism and elitism and blame my character's roleplay not being inappropriate and not worth it. Actually I expected more complaints.
Maybe it's because I haven't logged it yet. And it's obviously for the better that I won't be able to log it within the next month, so people will forget about the background and are able to actually enjoy the ingame encounters.
However, what do you mean by the roleplay being an import? And if there was anyone else who'd have more deserved getting it, name him, so I can pass the pixels on.
Also, before commenting or quoting something, one should have at least a glimpse of the background and context. But why do I actually care about people's bitterness and enviousness. I actually enjoy people viewing me as elitist-thinking scum who is abusing his admin skype friends to achieve control of more special PVP-orientated toys with which he'll be epeen-waving all day while harvesting your tears.
I'll really enjoy my four-weeks-break.
No one is deserving of it. That's the thing. It's not our ship. And the fact that its notoriety and infamy is what it is, we're sitting here going, "What in the hell...?" and scratching our heads. Maybe it's just an old-member thing, but it's a kick to the gut when we see our efforts fizzle out and then something like this happens. And by import I mean Shodan. Shodan, really? Shodan...
As I said: Want to open ships up to the public? Start filling battlecruiser and generic cruiser slots. The Necrosis would make an excellent Outcast battlecruiser. And the Emperor's yacht could make for a fun Kusari dreadnought.
RE: Should there be more unique ships? - Omi - 08-08-2013
(08-08-2013, 01:03 PM)jsantis Wrote: No one is deserving of it. That's the thing. It's not our ship. And the fact that its notoriety and infamy is what it is, we're sitting here going, "What in the hell...?" and scratching our heads. Maybe it's just an old-member thing, but it's a kick to the gut when we see our efforts fizzle out and then something like this happens. And by import I mean Shodan. Shodan, really? Shodan...
As I said: Want to open ships up to the public? Start filling battlecruiser and generic cruiser slots. The Necrosis would make an excellent Outcast battlecruiser. And the Emperor's yacht could make for a fun Kusari dreadnought.
"Deserving of it"? Mate, it's a pixel spaceship in a game which, by the looks of it (though correct me if I'm wrong), you don't even play any more. He wrote his roleplay and the request is solid; what more do you want? A feature length production or something? And what are you on about when you say it's not "our" ship? Whose ship? Discovery's? Anyone but Mon'star's? The thing isn't being used, it's just languishing there benefiting nobody, an unseen relic to a roleplay that, while lengthy, consisted largely of "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA", at least on the couple of times I bumped into him. I know the maniacal laugh was a character trait, but jeez.
Point is, Mon'star the Red and his oft-overrated roleplay is long gone, and I bet the decision to rerelease the Necrosis wasn't taken lightly in any case.
Did you try and SRP the Necrosis at some point and get denied and now you just can't see green cheese? Because you keep mentioning this kick in the gut/slammed into the dirt thing. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure sounds like it.
All that said, however, I do have to agree that the SHODAN thing is really weak. That part of the RP is an import, sure, which detracts from the overall quality. That, and the Necrosis kinda would have made a kickass OC BC, with or without a big Maltese cross painted on the side.