+- Discovery Gaming Community (https://discoverygc.com/forums)
+-- Forum: Role-Playing (https://discoverygc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=9)
+--- Forum: Unofficial Factions and Groups (https://discoverygc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=67)
+--- Thread: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread (/showthread.php?tid=102702)
RE: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread - Lythrilux - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 06:29 PM)Chrome.Flare Wrote: @Lythrilux
Please keep it down with spamming this thread with metagaming accusations and sit back and take a better look at the game and then at yourself..
1.You do metagame yourself;BHG chat:
[5:39:54 PM] Luc E-W (Lythrilux): anyone up for torpedo shooting?
that just happened after we announce it in another chat
I can give RP proof as to how I knew that. I'll refrain from posting about it here though, as I have been asked to refrain from talking about [LN] related stuff. But I asked BHG for help due to being unable to gather anymore assists.
(08-07-2013, 06:29 PM)Chrome.Flare Wrote: 2.There is practically no way to not metagame: we have player list inside game and outside game[forum and +1 utrack] most of us did joined multiple factions,we can pretend we can ignore it or just use the information even if we want or not
[as in if trying to avoid an area that you do know it's most likely a place you should check out because you do have informations about someone[s] being there;it's still metagaming ;or another option is just go there..]
and now a more interesting thing is the /net features..you know when and where a player enter a lane,when and where he exit a lane,what id, turrets,cargo,etc it have,more or less everything..
Search Utracks thread. There are talks about the tool being a meta gaming tool. Heck, ask Utrack yourself. I bet he'll say it's a meta gaming tool.
And the player list inside the game is meta gaming. InRP, how would you have a precise list detailing where each individual player is across Sirius?
The /net thing, I think I can give you that. However, inRP it's mean to be used by House Lawfuls and Lane Hackers. Not the dime-a-dozen mercenary.
(08-07-2013, 06:29 PM)Chrome.Flare Wrote: About escorting smugglers..i believe that those who do smuggle should try to keep a low profile and not having a few escorts that every npc base and ship shoot at it;in this scenario the smuggler will either be killed by an npc or by a player so that's really not a good idea,at all..
Yeah, I guess that's all down to the roleplay really and how the smuggler personally does smuggling. However, you could do that and create a nice niche for yourselves. However, that is your opinion and if your opinion is reflective of the rest of the flares then very well.
RE: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread - Chrome.Flare - 08-07-2013
Quote:Search Utracks thread. There are talks about the tool being a meta gaming tool. Heck, ask Utrack yourself. I bet he'll say it's a meta gaming tool.I believe you should try and read again,i have mentioned that it is a metagame tool
..
And the player list inside the game is meta gaming.
Quote:And the player list inside the game is meta gaming. InRP, how would you have a precise list detailing where each individual player is across Sirius?Well..that is an interesting question with so many answers,inRP we can justify all our actions even if their right or wrong,this is not a different case i advise you to use your imagination and not you keyboard before answering again..
Quote:The /net thing, I think I can give you that.However, inRP it's mean to be used by House Lawfuls and Lane Hackers. Not the dime-a-dozen mercenary.inRP this faction does work for LH,so that may be a way to justify but we dont have access to such commands nor does the LH
But to put it short:Only the Sky's the limit when you start thinking of the possibility of what is possible and what is not and how we can make it possible..
Quote:I can give RP proof as to how I knew that. I'll refrain from posting about it here though, as I have been asked to refrain from talking about [LN] related stuff. But I asked BHG for help due to being unable to gather anymore assists.Wait a second..do you actually try to justify yourself about how your BHG| character have find out this kind of information outside the roleplay environment with another similar situation/source?
I have to announce that i most certainly have to give up on making you understand what is the actual concept of metagaming and that there's no way of avoiding it..
RE: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread - SeaFalcon - 08-07-2013
How come your diplomacy is so close to that of a similar faction?
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ymxm_C4gAebMvyb4oGqqMOXmMYm3nFWC0bDWbVXwYAU/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000#slide=id.gb42e720f_2_58
in a small summary on what is the same:
- Enemy of Liberty, Bretonia, Hispania
- Friends with their unlawfuls like the Liberty Rogues, Lane hackers and Mollys.
- Rheinland seems rather neutral.
- Gallia might be neutral to you, but they lack a board at the moment anyway.
Reavers having started as a bunch of friends wanting to become mercenaries.
And they use colours, just like your idea to just use colours.
Your goals:
"Follow the money where it goes, Kill Contracts for money
and..buy Drinks from Alcatraz's Bar"
"Fulfill our Contracts and Associates' bounties, and make them happy"
Exactly the same as well. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ymxm_C4gAebMvyb4oGqqMOXmMYm3nFWC0bDWbVXwYAU/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=3000#slide=id.gb42e720f_2_18
If you're trying so hard to be like them, why not simply join them?
Considering official factions already seem to have a hard time keeping their activity.
Edit: You seem to have typo'ed something in your goals, since I copy pasted it.
"You kill contracts to make money?"
RE: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread - Chrome.Flare - 08-07-2013
Quote:https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1...e720f_2_58this is what we have answered in the the second post on this very own thread,and we have explained why we have chosen a board over another
in a small summary on what is the same:
- Enemy of Liberty, Bretonia, Hispania
- Friends with their unlawfuls like the Liberty Rogues, Lane hackers and Mollys.
- Rheinland seems rather neutral.
- Gallia might be neutral to you, but they lack a board at the moment anyway.
*gallia is actually friendly since we do work for EFL
**but to summarize it in a few words:we did have explored all the unlawfully boards we could sign upon,we have chosen those who have a board,who does have more active targets we could destroy eventually,those who do pay better and in the end we have tried to balance them and register our faction accordingly..
Yes it may seem the same,because is a good path so why try to take other just because there's already a faction out there who did have a similar path in the past but now is no longer active anymore..
We are not trying to be like Reavers..a statement i rather not make everytime i post/answer to someone but it seems i always have too..
So..here we go again:
While " I " ,personally..i do like the idea of having an ID that offers so many advantages regarding the Technerf Chart of which has such high values towards ones of the best Ships ingame from both a stats point of view and a nicer design than the others of it's kind..i would rather say "No" because while we do have same goals,due to being an unlawfully hunting group i rather like having a different and better RP at least from my point of view,one of which we are still working upon it due to our recent date of creation and so many decisions we had to make in such short time..
//anyway..this was one very slow post..since i had to watch food not to get too fry..
RE: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread - SeaFalcon - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 08:10 PM)Chrome.Flare Wrote:Friendly to Gallia, just like the Reavers.Quote:https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1...e720f_2_58this is what we have answered in the the second post on this very own thread,and we have explained why we have chosen a board over another
in a small summary on what is the same:
- Enemy of Liberty, Bretonia, Hispania
- Friends with their unlawfuls like the Liberty Rogues, Lane hackers and Mollys.
- Rheinland seems rather neutral.
- Gallia might be neutral to you, but they lack a board at the moment anyway.
*gallia is actually friendly since we do work for EFL
**but to summarize it in a few words:we did have explored all the unlawfully boards we could sign upon,we have chosen those who have a board,who does have more active targets we could destroy eventually,those who do pay better and in the end we have tried to balance them and register our faction accordingly..
Yes it may seem the same,because is a good path so why try to take other just because there's already a faction out there who did have a similar path in the past but now is no longer active anymore..
We are not trying to be like Reavers..a statement i rather not make everytime i post/answer to someone but it seems i always have too..
So..here we go again:
While " I " ,personally..i do like the idea of having an ID that offers so many advantages regarding the Technerf Chart of which has such high values towards ones of the best Ships ingame from both a stats point of view and a nicer design than the others of it's kind..i would rather say "No" because while we do have same goals,due to being an unlawfully hunting group i rather like having a different and better RP at least from my point of view,one of which we are still working upon it due to our recent date of creation and so many decisions we had to make in such short time..
//anyway..this was one very slow post..since i had to watch food not to get too fry..
What I mean to tell you is, you will get pissed on for being a copycat even when you claim you're not one.
The diplomacy, goals, name features, way of working, behavior in game as well is all the same.
If one was the same I wouldn't have a point of it.
But here is me giving feedback to at least change yourself a little, hell even the judges are more original than this.
RE: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread - Chrome.Flare - 08-07-2013
Quote:What I mean to tell you is, you will get pissed on for being a copycat even when you claim you're not one.Yes,you do have a point..more or less,the only things we do have in common are our colours nicknames and being unlawfully mercenary [and the limited path that comes with it(being a unlawfully merc.)]
Quote:If one was the same I wouldn't have a point of it.I will be going a little off topic and make an analogy regarding an alternate universe where we would of have chosen having an LN ID and our naming convention would have been "LN.Name.Lastname" and now we would have been received a feedback implying that we are copycats because we do hunt pirates and we shouldn't do so because there's another faction on same id who do the very same thing..
So..what would you want us to do in this similar scenario?hunt traders and others lawfully factions?
Now i know the following sentence will sound a little rude but i think i have to say it:
"Do you really want to claim "your" copyrights on the full Spectral Colors?
Because this is what it seems.."
RE: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread - SeaFalcon - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 08:58 PM)Chrome.Flare Wrote:Quote:What I mean to tell you is, you will get pissed on for being a copycat even when you claim you're not one.Yes,you do have a point..more or less,the only things we do have in common are our colours nicknames and being unlawfully mercenary [and the limited path that comes with it(being a unlawfully merc.)]
Quote:If one was the same I wouldn't have a point of it.I will be going a little off topic and make an analogy regarding an alternate universe where we would of have chosen having an LN ID and our naming convention would have been "LN.Name.Lastname" and now we would have been received a feedback implying that we are copycats because we do hunt pirates and we shouldn't do so because there's another faction on same id who do the very same thing..
So..what would you want us to do in this similar scenario?hunt traders and others lawfully factions?
Now i know the following sentence will sound a little rude but i think i have to say it:
"Do you really want to claim "your" copyrights on the full Spectral Colors?
Because this is what it seems.."
Being an unlawful merc company in which you share, the same diplomacy, naming, goals (hunt money and spent it on drinking) and start of your faction. (A man with friends decided to become the most skilled at killed lawfuls because it's a good business.)
The Reavers do in a way claim all copyrights on their unlawful merc group, with their diplomacy and naming, as well as their goals.
If someone wants to use "colours" sure go ahead, but at least be different on other fronts. So far you aren't different anywhere, not even the skill part when it comes to combat.
Edit:
Going to leave it at this, take the feedback in whichever way you like, I still think you should change your course considering there is nothing unique in you at all, and it doesn't seem to add anything either, besides of course being the same.
Edit2:
Claiming you're an unlawful merc faction doesn't mean you have to be the same as another.
Just check the differences between the old MM~ and the Reavers, both being lawful and unlawful in other parts.
Yet they were totally different.
RE: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread - Chrome.Flare - 08-07-2013
@SeaFalcon
Since you do seem to believe that we could have chosen a different path then by all means i challenge you to find one with a higher numbers of boards to sign up
There will be some points to have in mind when you will come with a different option, those will be:
1. keep liberty|bretonia|taus as a hunting ground,and the option of having a place where to dock inside those houses
2.targets do have to be lawfully factions
3.MercNet does not apply due to having no restricted hunting grounds..
RE: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread - SeaFalcon - 08-07-2013
(08-07-2013, 09:14 PM)Chrome.Flare Wrote: @SeaFalcon
Since you do seem to believe that we could have chosen a different path then by all means i challenge you to find one with a higher numbers of boards to sign up
There will be some points to have in mind when you will come with a different option, those will be:
1. keep liberty|bretonia|taus as a hunting ground,and the option of having a place where to dock inside those houses
2.targets do have to be lawfully factions
3.MercNet does not apply due to having no restricted hunting grounds..
Go out there and make contracts with factions yourself.
Last I heard people had billions of credits and didn't know what to spent it on.
Go lobby on some new boards.
Also this encourages RP between your and other factions and might even lead to character development, something I haven't seen much yet.
RE: The Crimson's Flares Feedback Thread - Chrome.Flare - 08-07-2013
We did have some talks with other official factions in order to open up some new boards for us,but unfortunately an expected requirement was not met..and that was age of faction,something we can't really have without actually playing,right?
So..here we arrived once more,having the same outcome..
*another inconvenient is that only officials factions can post bounty boards,so..not much of options
If you can't back up your statements then do not post unless you have some constructive feedback for our faction