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RE: Iridium Mining and economy - St.Denis - 06-27-2014
Quote:I don't think there is such a large technological and knowledge-based difference between Mining corporations and others. Other faction usually don't have the fields or interest in mining. There are a few factions in the Omicrons that are interested in Mining, like the Zoners, and which are interested and already started RPing towards the mining buff, like the AI Consensus. I do not consider mining to be technologically as difficult that you have to be teached to do it. The mining multipliers are rather in place to prevent factions that have no interest in mining to mine, especially indies.
I don't think that interest and hundreds of years of experience are even close to being comparable. I am sure that if the AI have been RPing at learning how to mine then, yes, they should get a bonus but just because I want to do something doesn't mean I am an instant expert at it.
I am sure that a Fighter Pilot, in the future, cannot become an instant Capital Ship Captain and be expected to be able to command just as well as somebody who has come through the ranks to get there. Experience in everything accounts for a lot.
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RE: Iridium Mining and economy - Occam Razor - 06-27-2014
(06-27-2014, 01:32 PM)Syf Wrote: I wonder would it hurt to have a possibility of AI having x4 on it? As they do not have a fixed roleplay stance. Or am I wrong Occam? Please correct me if I am. As I am not in your faction.It would certainly not hurt. We're currently in the process of finishing the AI lore for the AIs on Gammu and did some work towards starting some Iridium Mining Operations, using Iridium in our technology and, as I mentioned before, exporting it into the houses in exchange for other materials needed by Gammu.
(06-27-2014, 01:40 PM)St.Denis Wrote: I don't think that interest and hundreds of years of experience are even close to being comparable. I am sure that if the AI have been RPing at learning how to mine then, yes, they should get a bonus but just because I want to do something doesn't mean I am an instant expert at it.A fighter pilot is no faction and he could join a mining faction, get a short introduction and start mining as good as every other miner of that faction, couldn't he?
I am sure that a Fighter Pilot, in the future, cannot become an instant Capital Ship Captain and be expected to be able to command just as well as somebody who has come through the ranks to get there. Experience in everything accounts for a lot.
You do not have to learn to mine, you need the equipment and amount of ships to start doing it on a larger scale. Both Mining Vessels and Mining Equipment has been on the civil market for a long time. As far as I know the way of mining and the mining equipment did not change for some time, thus a faction doing it for a few hundred years would only have an advantage in influence and scale of their operations, not how much ore a single ship can mine. Thus, the AI would not have to learn for a few decades to get the same amount of ore out of a rock as an old mining faction. But, of course, the operations done by AIs would be on a much smaller scale than mining operations of IMG in Tau-23 for example.
RE: Iridium Mining and economy - Lythrilux - 06-27-2014
(06-27-2014, 01:31 PM)larzac Wrote:(06-27-2014, 01:22 PM)St.Denis Wrote: The only problem I see is the Barge Jumping that will probably happen and hence all the activity will be none existent except at each end.[/color]
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If natives faction keep and eye on the area, it will be very hard to do barge jumping because i am sure that Squid/Order/BGH will focus every barge that they see.
Good. Barge jumping is a crime.
RE: Iridium Mining and economy - Treewyrm - 06-27-2014
I'll remind that systems and connections therein will also be quite different. For instance sigmas will have route to central omicrons, a dangerous one at that but nonetheless. It was implied to exist but finally will be found in update.
RE: Iridium Mining and economy - Thyrzul - 06-27-2014
(06-27-2014, 12:11 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Texan oil companies are better at extracting crude oil from Iraqs oil fields than Iraq's companies. Yesterday I saw a documentary on Copper mining in Chile and Peru. European companies, using european high tech equipment and our university skilled people are behind it.
Two examples where said companies have encountered said materials on their main working field. Texas have their own oil to develop the technology to extract on, and Europe have their copper deposits too. Please tell me, where did IMG encounter iridium before? Taus? Omegas? Where else do IMG mine?
IMG might have the expertise to mine minerals and metals in the areas they've been operating in so far, but I hardly think the've been a frequent sight in the Omicrons in the past years, and thus iridium is a fairly new metal for them to work with. How about you try to roleplay getting familiar with it first, before asking for the bonus you are yet to justify, you know, like the AI faction does?
IMG might have the expertise to mine minerals and metals in the areas they've been operating in so far, but I hardly think the've been a frequent sight in the Omicrons in the past years, and thus iridium is a fairly new metal for them to work with. How about you try to roleplay getting familiar with it first, before asking for the bonus you are yet to justify, you know, like the AI faction does?
RE: Iridium Mining and economy - MÃmir - 06-27-2014
Seeing that iridium sells well in house space, it is reasonable to assume that a large mining organization with a wide portfolio of mined ores would have always had some interest in, and presumably knowledge of, iridium. The infocard describes how iridium is already "used in multiple commercial applications" so it can't be that exotic still.
RE: Iridium Mining and economy - 7AlphaOne1 - 06-27-2014
basically, The ol0nly faction not concerned with resource gathering is BHG Core. Infocards suggest Order, Corsairs, Zoners and AI.and maybr miner ID.
think of it in an InRP way.
BHG core izz richrichrich. they dont need to go around shooting rocks.
Ordur izz needz resurce. them izz mien
Zonur izz edge. no supplierz. so, they izz also mien.
AI, needz resource, but edge worlud. they izz ALSO mien.
Flancers need a living. they izz also mien(with miner id, small bonus, plus, good startoff for new activity, instead of usual nomorudrcorezonurAI pewpew, new RP)
RE: Iridium Mining and economy - cabinn - 06-27-2014
(06-27-2014, 01:59 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:(06-27-2014, 12:11 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Texan oil companies are better at extracting crude oil from Iraqs oil fields than Iraq's companies. Yesterday I saw a documentary on Copper mining in Chile and Peru. European companies, using european high tech equipment and our university skilled people are behind it.
IMG might have the expertise to mine minerals and metals in the areas they've been operating in so far, but I hardly think the've been a frequent sight in the Omicrons in the past years, and thus iridium is a fairly new metal for them to work with. How about you try to roleplay getting familiar with it first, before asking for the bonus you are yet to justify, you know, like the AI faction does?[/color][/align]
Last year I did RP an IMG research vessel collecting samples of Iridium in Delta for a while.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=102219
I did it to have an excuse to explore the Omicrons. It wasn't really profitable. I did it for RP purposes. With more RP backup, the IMG could possibly justify a small bonus. I personally feel Iridium should be hard to get - but should sell for more. There was one run I did where i barely recouped the funds to pay for ship damage from an ill timed Nomad NPC capship encounter.
but... The Omicrons need to stay a remote - exotic - hard to get to and get back from place. I personally don't like the idea of seeing random traders appear in Delta asking: "hey miner, give me a fill up..."
but seeing the occasional mining vessel in Delta would make sense.
RE: Iridium Mining and economy - Jack_Henderson - 06-27-2014
(06-27-2014, 01:59 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:(06-27-2014, 12:11 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Texan oil companies are better at extracting crude oil from Iraqs oil fields than Iraq's companies. Yesterday I saw a documentary on Copper mining in Chile and Peru. European companies, using european high tech equipment and our university skilled people are behind it.
Two examples where said companies have encountered said materials on their main working field. Texas have their own oil to develop the technology to extract on, and Europe have their copper deposits too. Please tell me, where did IMG encounter iridium before? Taus? Omegas? Where else do IMG mine?
IMG might have the expertise to mine minerals and metals in the areas they've been operating in so far, but I hardly think the've been a frequent sight in the Omicrons in the past years, and thus iridium is a fairly new metal for them to work with. How about you try to roleplay getting familiar with it first, before asking for the bonus you are yet to justify, you know, like the AI faction does?
Can you please... please... just realize that I was not asking for an IMG bonus (but for a bonus for all expert mining groups) and you can also read the reasons and considerations where I posted that. Thank you.
RE: Iridium Mining and economy - St.Denis - 06-27-2014
(06-27-2014, 01:42 PM)Occam Razor Wrote: A fighter pilot is no faction and he could join a mining faction, get a short introduction and start mining as good as every other miner of that faction, couldn't he?
You do not have to learn to mine, you need the equipment and amount of ships to start doing it on a larger scale. Both Mining Vessels and Mining Equipment has been on the civil market for a long time. As far as I know the way of mining and the mining equipment did not change for some time, thus a faction doing it for a few hundred years would only have an advantage in influence and scale of their operations, not how much ore a single ship can mine. Thus, the AI would not have to learn for a few decades to get the same amount of ore out of a rock as an old mining faction. But, of course, the operations done by AIs would be on a much smaller scale than mining operations of IMG in Tau-23 for example.
InRP a Fighter, becoming a miner, would have to learn how to operate his equipment, where to look for the right rocks to shoot, know the best way to mine then etc. He wouldn't be expected to be able to just walk in and be as good as the old and bold miners that had been doing it for years.
Mining Gold has been around for thousands of years, in RL, so all I need to do is go and buy myself the right equipment and 'hey Presto I am rich'. I don't think so.
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