Quote:Faction Right 4. Official player factions who have planned an event (with at least 24 hours notice on forum, here) can restrict participation of others in that event as they see fit.

(10-06-2016, 07:53 PM)WPeregrine Wrote: What does this mean in this case? Setting an operation in the holdings mostly flown by your chosen enemies and their (somewhat) close allies, and expect to not be bothered due to rights? Not sure you can invoke that in this scenario...

(10-06-2016, 08:05 PM)Char Aznable Wrote: Your accusation of me 'hoarding' a racetrack that you believe to have a claim on because you are a racing faction while I have given away 343 ages ago was what topped this all off. Your poor reaction to feedback doesn't reflect well on you. Just saying.

(10-06-2016, 08:16 PM)Auzari Wrote: He wasn't being rude, and if anything, you are being rude right now with your hostile attire.

It's very sketchy. I could make a event in Omicron Iota and disallow Nomads to come for example.

(10-06-2016, 08:23 PM)Char Aznable Wrote: I did neither threaten you nor did I tell you that you do not RP. What I told you is that you didn't give a proper RP justification for this event, and your heavily defensive attitude is evidence that you have nothing to say about it. In fact, when I told you that this event is, in its current form, bullsh**, you accused me of 'hoarding a racetrack' and just 'continuing the hate'. While it is true that I could have used less blunt wording, your reaction to my legitimately voiced criticism in the past has gotten the better of me and resulted in harsh words I've put towards you on Skype.

If you want to think that I am turning this into hate here, go on. I could not care less about you, to be honest. I am just sad to see what AFC has become while it had a lot of potential for interesting RP, that is all.

For everyone that doesn't know what this discussion is about though: From my point of view, AFC operating in Tottori, even excluding the people that would logically prevent them from doing so, is a load of nonsense, and nothing more. The use of FR 4 reinforces this point - and before anyone uses my usage of FR 4 in the past as a counter argument, this was in no way used to exclude enemy factions from their home bases, rather than it was used to keep out a group of particularly harmful people.
@nOmnomnOm has repeatedly shown that he does not care for the Roleplay background of something, and just wants to imprint his personal stuff on it. You can't sit in your little hugbox with no one hurting you inRP, and your actions should have consequences. Using ooRP rules to get an inRP benefit is and should be considered powergaming, and is thus, in my opinion, a sanctionable offense.

(10-06-2016, 08:38 PM)Char Aznable Wrote: I have not lied with one word. Plus the only person throwing accusations around here is you, and nobody else.

(10-06-2016, 08:42 PM)Char Aznable Wrote: As I already mentioned, nobody here is crap posting. The only person getting agitated and angry here is you, and you're digging your hole ever deeper with every time you accuse me of it.
I'm not hating on you. There's only one person on Disco I hate, and that, I can assure you, has nothing even remotely to do with AFC. I am just criticizing your decisions, because I believe them to be wrong. If you can't deal with that kind of feedback, though, I would advise you to go and eat a sandwich, then return when you've calmed down and reread all the posts that have been done so far.

(10-06-2016, 08:43 PM)Auzari Wrote: Take a chill pill/time out dude, no one here is attacking you. It's just simple curiosity.

(10-06-2016, 08:50 PM)Caelumaresh Wrote: John, guys, take a step back please. This is turning more into a slug throwing contest then a race.

(10-06-2016, 08:53 PM)Garth Saris Wrote: And here I thought this was a roleplay community. /:

(10-06-2016, 08:57 PM)Kalhmera Wrote: ok bud, we can post where ever we like... you can not control anyone... take the feedback and or comments your getting like a man and stop getting Triggered over small stuff... You might need a sandwich break..

(10-06-2016, 09:08 PM)Auzari Wrote: No need to be so rude. But personally, adding spice, like hostiles, to races makes it more interesting, and less predictable.

(10-06-2016, 09:09 PM)kenshin156 Wrote: To get back on topic, I am also uncertain how "impairing" an FR4 in this event would be for other factions.
Of course, you want to have this race, and I get that, but simply removing encounters with a faction - whose territory you pass, I might add - to have a nice race seems kind of Overkill. If anything you could ask the faction to maybe look the other way or actually implement them by saying they can't disrupt your cruise or whatever, making the fire-dodging a thing in the race while also eliminating unfair play with target preference.
I would also advice you to not open your browser for the forums until you actually are home and have calmed down a bit.
Please, do not take any of this as agression towards you, AFC, this race or whatever. It is simply a thing of curiosity about the abilities of an FR4, which apparently weren't very clear until now, so people want to discuss about it and get multiple opinions.

(10-06-2016, 09:11 PM)Arioch Wrote: The amount of posts you've made John telling people to stop, could've been spent drafting up a single, longer post. Yes some people who have posted aren't the most diplomatic/tactful in their approach, but there is a lot of genuine curiosity and confusion. You're treating that as trolling when it is far from it. I get you're upset, fine. But don't take every post that people make that are either asking perfectly acceptable questions or are saying "hey man, you're upset, let's calm down a bit, ok?" as trolling, hateful, targeting you and painting you as a bad person. You're reaction to those posts in the manner thusfar are doing that for you.

As I said, instead of responding to every comment with "STOP TROLLING!" when it's painfully obvious it's not a troll-post, just start writing up a reply to the legitimate concerns people have brought forward. You could've easily written one up in the amount of time you've instead spent at yelling at people. Not being aggressive, not trolling FYI.

(10-06-2016, 09:54 PM)King Boo Wrote: Because of the nature of this event, the AFC are allowed to restrict participation of the race itself thanks to Faction Right 4

However, the AFC is not allowed to prevent factions/players who belong in the system from showing up. They may not be allowed to participate, but the AFC still can have RP (or PvP if it boils down to that) consequences if they aren't happy with your shenanigans.

This does not mean people should show up in order to ruin the event. Let people have their fun. But logically a race through a system which you might not be very welcome in naturally may have some consequences.

(10-06-2016, 10:08 PM)Inferno Wrote: Om, this may not be related to signing up for the event(like this thread was to be), but would this be the thing I bring the news ships to?

(10-06-2016, 10:12 PM)King Boo Wrote: Things generally are considered case by case. If there is valid reason to have people not show up, we'll make accommodations.

That's how I roll. Case by case.

At any rate, I recommend that you do not post events until all of the details are written out. Makes things a lot more streamlined.

(10-06-2016, 09:12 PM)Arioch Wrote: Since you want people to post feedback here instead:

(10-06-2016, 08:27 PM)Arioch Wrote: Honestly it is very sketchy as Auzari said to make an event in hostile territory, expect those hostiles to not react/act, and demand an FR4. If you have an enemy, you can't very well go into his house, turn on his TV to watch your favorite show, and expect no consequences/repercussions, or an attempt to remove you from the house.

What would have been believable/more acceptable would be to make an event KNOWING it's in hostile territory, work with the faction leaders to set up a race that would not only have to follow the course, but also dodge enemy fire. Makes the stakes that much more higher, gets involvement from your enemies as well (Considering it's in their system), and avoids the 'We do what we want, regardless of if it's in an enemy's system, and we've demanding FR4 so we can't be touched."

The amount of posts John made asking people to stop posting could've been better spent writing a quick, concise reason to the concerns brought forth. I really am not interested in "Well someone threatened to sanction me!" or accusing people of trolling. I don't care. I do though care about the above, and why a faction would host an event in an enemy system, without (unless you have an I am wrong in this) working with said faction(s), and then demanding an FR4 for the event.

Please explain to me the thought process behind this, if you could, so everyone raising eyebrows can hopefully be provided an explanation.

Thanks -

(10-06-2016, 09:17 PM)Auzari Wrote: Then what is the point of telling people to post here? Are you actually going to tell 'what is really going on'?

Sticking your snout up and going 'nope' isn't really a nice answer. Instead of leaving people in the dark, perhaps you could enlighten us what exactly is the issue concerning the FR4 usage.

(10-06-2016, 09:23 PM)Vendetta Wrote: Another quality event and public relations example.

Can we talk about how silly this situation and reaction is? I've spent all day picking up literal crap in Vietnam my basement and this is the first thing I sit down to.

It seems really sketchy to somehow manage to host a race in hostile territory and deny said owners of the territory participation. Where's the fun in that for those people?

(10-06-2016, 10:01 PM)WPeregrine Wrote: Feedback for the AFC folks: If nomnom is feeling indisposed for replying at a certain time, DO Prevent him from posting the same thing time and time again. Either have someone qualified in the group to answer in his stead, or have one post by AFC asking everyone to wait for a normal reply by him, as there is no one else available.
Repeating those "stop posting" do not give the desired effect, and makes it all look bad.

On a post earlier in this thread, @Nasher440 asked about the usage of Battleship Yamaguchi as a staging point. Not sure what is the actual relation between AFC and Imperials, but if it is not good (and on the opposite, relation with GRN is neutral or good), why not try Minato Harbor, one jump away? Consider the option when you all have relaxed and regained composure.

(10-07-2016, 02:47 AM)The Archangels Fighter Club Wrote: Um I believe the proper term is that I should have access to a track.

(10-07-2016, 03:26 AM)Char Aznable Wrote: the difference between inRP and ooRP reasoning.

(10-07-2016, 03:37 AM)Legionnaire Wrote: Man this is better then the Zoner drama.

Whatever, I want to try this racing in Freelancer, never did that before, are there any special rules and so on?

Oh, and could you like pm me when you have the next race event?

(10-07-2016, 02:47 AM)The Archangels Fighter Club Wrote: 2) Balance the event.
It is easy to shoot light fighter egg shells that cannot defend themselves with any guns.
I could really see the A/) coming to bounty us for instance when we would do this event. This is also why I believe @Auzari has a conflict of interest and actually wants us to not be protected so that she can get easy 10 millions per AFC kill in our events. Sorry to kill your fun, girl.

(10-07-2016, 02:47 AM)The Archangels Fighter Club Wrote: Oh yes... Common thing here:
first of all, again, she has a conflict of interest in killing easy AFC targets.
secondly, Adding hostiles in a race event is very ... how can I put it... fragile!
I can do it, but I wont allow for it to be unsupervised.

And no you cannot come to claim easy bounties.

(10-07-2016, 07:26 AM)Auzari Wrote: but do remember that shoving it in everyone's face as a reminder everytime an event is possible implies you want the event in one specific condition.

(10-07-2016, 03:30 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: @"Auzari"

http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=142580
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=142072

for u.
I think you are smart to connect these two threads.

I honestly dont feel like discussing my events with someone that has no interest in participating or just shoves their nose into topics becasue you are "looking though all the forums"

(10-07-2016, 07:26 AM)Auzari Wrote: but do remember that shoving it in everyone's face as a reminder everytime an event is possible implies you want the event in one specific condition.

also no i disagree.... I will not also continue to discuss this topic.
sorry u got triggered by my rights

(09-22-2016, 07:47 AM)Vendetta Wrote: We're all adults and should be getting along, but instead we're essentially in a giant internet daycare playing make-believe with toy space ships that defy the laws of physics in more ways than one.