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RE: The Commune/New request. - TickTack - 03-08-2017
Well Azurai all I can say is it's not my fault that the |Prime (An official faction) didn't see fit to exercise their right to FR5 Commune, that was a large mistake on their part, If my char wants to land and take advantage of the fact that they haven't changed their rep to make us hostile and take robotic components back to analyze, he has complete freedom to do so, and he did just that. I mean he's basically working on gathering intelligence, because that's what he does.
Additionally if you'd done your homework you'd know that Jack's basically mostly Cyborg and hence the AI would recognize him as one of their own to some degree. Now as for the Prime the AI just asked me to leave, he never said that I was unwelcome nor did he say leave and never come back, also why are do you even care about a faction you're not a part of?
RE: The Commune/New request. - Kauket - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 01:50 PM)TickTack Wrote: Well Azurai all I can say is it's not my fault that the |Prime (An official faction) didn't see fit to exercise their right to FR5 Commune, that was a large mistake on their part, If my char wants to land and take advantage of the fact that they haven't changed their rep to make us hostile and take robotic components back to analyze, he has complete freedom to do so, and he did just that. I mean he's basically working on gathering intelligence, because that's what he does.
Additionally if you'd done your homework you'd know that Jack's basically mostly Cyborg and hence the AI would recognize him as one of their own to some degree. Now as for the Prime the AI just asked me to leave, he never said that I was unwelcome nor did he say leave and never come back, also why are do you even care about a faction you're not a part of?
So, in other words, you don't even care? Oookay, but remember that this is a /feedback/ thread, and I'm just making sure if you guys are aware that doing that kind of stuff is sketchy. For example, because LSF never FR5'd us, I could do the same, but it's really OORP and kinda abusing the game mechanics. It doesn't give you the right to abuse the system if FR5's aren't really processed or even active at the time. Also, cyborg or not, they're not incompetent at telling who's who
Oh well, have fun then.
RE: The Commune/New request. - Vendetta - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 01:47 PM)Shaggy Wrote:(03-08-2017, 02:29 AM)Vendetta Wrote:(03-07-2017, 08:35 PM)PRJKTLRD Wrote: Especially Auxesia. I remember when we wanted to trade that one Nomad Prototype and when guess who, asked to come and steal it. Just out of nowhere. You talk about "RP logic" but you don't think do your acts have some "logic"? Like, how you inRP knew of that? Asking OOC-ly doesen't justifies your acts though.
Nobody asked me really if I wanted that to happen. But they asked Foxglove. (against whom, I don't have anything bad to think regarding that)
We didn't ask. We were offered to interrupt a deal that was taking place in a system we used to base from. I'm pretty sure I clarified that for you already.
To reiterate the point of the original question however, it would be extremely unlikely for you to successfully conduct an operation on Wichita without us or the Legion catching wind, more-so the former as we've got an outpost planetside. Frankly, I don't have a problem with what you choose to do, but it will raise questions and those questions need to be asked at one point or another.
I'm not going to compare it to someone attempting to infiltrate Alaska or land on Schatten undetected, because it isn't the same thing or remotely close, but there is still that element of people - hostile people - operating in that area, that while you've been interrogating traffic for (which is pretty smart to do, by the way) won't yield a lot of answers, especially not for instance the location of our outpost there.
Now I'm acutely aware that this isn't what you're after, but what my concern and @"Auzari"'s concern is - would you/will you actively take into consideration the significant presence of people the Commune is effectively at war with being in the area? Additionally, how to you expect to successfully approach a location that's heavily monitored for traffic due to the faction operating the outpost (us) being extremely paranoid about the last time they were operating there? (Read the lore for reference of 'last time')
I dont want tl be too involved in feedback threads but you and Auzuri are both speaking ss if Auxesia had a NPC faction in the system and there is more of you inrp than there actually is which could also be seen as powergamey. Having claims without anything to back your claims up is weak but thank you for the feedback.
Discrediting the RP of an official faction because it doesn't have an NPC faction that it represents is a strawman argument afaik. The RP was done with other official factions, including a shared lab with the IRG.
Be that as it may, there's still the Xenos and HF in the system.
EDIT: And technically speaking by your logic, any faction that doesn't have an NPC faction representing it wouldn't matter.
So by that standard, the HF wouldn't have mattered when they were Lane Hackers, because they RP'd as a separate entity and not as actual Lane Hackers.
The IRG's RP wouldn't matter, because 99% of the Zoners are not IRG, and most Zoners aren't even part of the same group.
The Commune considers themselves to be a separate entity from the Outcasts. By that logic, since there's no Commune NPCs, they'd have no RP to back up their positions either. You're essentially saying that RP by factions not represented by NPCs is invalid. Would that technically mean that the CR's roleplay before they became NPCs was invalid, too? What about the Reapers of Sirius?
RE: The Commune/New request. - Alley - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 01:50 PM)TickTack Wrote: Well Azurai all I can say is it's not my fault that the |Prime (An official faction) didn't see fit to exercise their right to FR5 Commune, that was a large mistake on their part, If my char wants to land and take advantage of the fact that they haven't changed their rep to make us hostile and take robotic components back to analyze, he has complete freedom to do so, and he did just that. I mean he's basically working on gathering intelligence, because that's what he does.
Additionally if you'd done your homework you'd know that Jack's basically mostly Cyborg and hence the AI would recognize him as one of their own to some degree. Now as for the Prime the AI just asked me to leave, he never said that I was unwelcome nor did he say leave and never come back, also why are do you even care about a faction you're not a part of?
I'm just going to be clear here: This isn't a mere feedback thread, this is an officialty request. There's a certain standard that is expected from you (even though it became incredibly low these days) and this post is the complete opposite of what is expected from your faction. In fact I would say you're already on a pretty good path to see it denied if we take this post in consideration along with other elements.
What you wrote is completely mindblowing mate, and not in a good way.
RE: The Commune/New request. - TickTack - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 01:54 PM)Auzari Wrote: So, in other words, you don't even care? Oookay, but remember that this is a /feedback/ thread, and I'm just making sure if you guys are aware that doing that kind of stuff is sketchy. For example, because LSF never FR5'd us, I could do the same, but it's really OORP and kinda abusing the game mechanics. It doesn't give you the right to abuse the system if FR5's aren't really processed or even active at the time. Also, cyborg or not, they're not incompetent at telling who's who
Oh well, have fun then.
If the LSF never FR5'd you then yes you are completely free to do so and they'd have nobody to blame BUT themselves, weather it's due to them being inactive or being too lazy the fault is entirely theirs... I don't consider it OORP at all, it's the lack of |PRIME's RP that lead to this all they had to do was file a request but because they were too lazy to go and tell the docking administrator not to let us dock they left themselves open to getting spied upon.
Also they're really incompetent... they're toasters with wires attached to a fan in case their processor overheats.
RE: The Commune/New request. - Vendetta - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 02:05 PM)TickTack Wrote: If the LSF never FR5'd you then yes you are completely free to do so and they'd have nobody to blame BUT themselves, weather it's due to them being inactive or being too lazy the fault is entirely theirs... I don't consider it OORP at all, it's the lack of |PRIME's RP that lead to this all they had to do was file a request but because they were too lazy to go and tell the docking administrator not to let us dock they left themselves open to getting spied upon.
Also they're really incompetent... they're toasters with wires attached to a fan in case their processor overheats.
To quote your own words: "If you had done your homework" you'd know the PRIME and Gammu AI in general are more than that.
RE: The Commune/New request. - TickTack - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 02:04 PM)Alley Wrote: I'm just going to be clear here: This isn't a mere feedback thread, this is an officialty request. There's a certain standard that is expected from you (even though it became incredibly low these days) and this post is the complete opposite of what is expected from your faction. In fact I would say you're already on a pretty good path to see it denied if we take this post in consideration along with other elements.
What you wrote is completely mindblowing mate, and not in a good way.
Well that's a shame alley, because you're judging an entire faction based on what one person did, a mistake granted, Lerdi explained it to me and I understand it now. I'll apologize for my recent posts, I'm not a complete ace RP god that does everything perfect, I'm human and sometimes I get it wrong and I do hope you can forgive this.
RE: The Commune/New request. - Alley - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 02:21 PM)TickTack Wrote: Well that's a shame alley, because you're judging an entire faction based on what one person did, a mistake granted, Lerdi explained it to me and I understand it now. I'll apologize for my recent posts, I'm not a complete ace RP god that does everything perfect, I'm human and sometimes I get it wrong and I do hope you can forgive this.
God no, I'm not stupid enough to do that. I would have destroyed several factions by now if I went by this logic.
You don't necessarily have to be some roleplay god to understand when you are a faction member, you represent said faction and your actions directly affect it. Perhaps it is time to think a lil about it.
RE: The Commune/New request. - Chrysalis - 03-08-2017
I'd like to mention a few things.
First off, the roleplay Auxesia conducted regarding their base on Wichita is more than legitimate, we don't mean to challenge this, nor demean your work. Obviously, the system is no longer empty, as you yourselves put it, and there are dangers involved with trying to access the surface. But come on, are you seriously telling me that Auxesia has complete control over what happens on the entirety of the planet? You'd expect that kind of power projection from a major planet-spanning colonization effort, not one installation. In my opinion, a small shuttle bringing a few operatives down and getting the hell out before anyone notices is within the realm of possibilities.
You could say we were wrong not to take everything into account, however, it remains that the Commune still doesn't know about your complex planetside, this due to the fact that we don't seem to have the same kind of omniscient scanners and radars everyone else seems to employ. We'll have to catch up on that, I guess.
Also, regarding Cerberus, yes, it was an import in the sense of the name, logo and the human-centric radical goals, and no, imports aren't cool anymore, but I don't think this warrants disregarding the background of the character in question, one that is intimately tied to the now long dead faction. And this is all it was, an attempt to further his character's roleplay and tie in some minor part of it into our faction's roleplay.
But anyway, this calls for resolution, and I think we will try to resolve this in a way that is beneficial to everyone. I for one am willing to listen to suggestions and cooperate.
RE: The Commune/New request. - Sombs - 03-08-2017
Maybe it's time to have both sides calm down here first. It would be really a shame to see this going on, as the Commune would be a really nice inRP opponent for Auxesia and vice versa. I'd rather see both sides antagonising each other on a higher level on inRP forum and ingame, because even with Vendetta and Nyx being two very controversal members of the community, they have high standards on roleplaying with enemies and allies regardless on their ooRP stance to them, on Auxesian characters.
At least that is what Vendetta said, this would be the perfect example to prove it, and I think the Commune would benefit from doing the same. Not that both sides necessarily have to sit down with each other now and solve everything or even plan some sort of scenario, but general antagonising inRP on a non-powergamey/metagamey level. Simply because both groups have the aspect of being mobile and present in the most important parts of Sirius.