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Knock it off, Dumbliners - Shryke - 02-22-2011
I'm sorry, but really its a massive wall of text. Could that be summed up at all?
I noticed something about metagaming, and specifically about people hanging around the Hood. I don't think proximity to your battleship is evidence of anything except that someone was near your battleship. Any sort of IMG-negative conclusions drawn from that can easily be denied, so I'm not sure what the problem is.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Syrus - 02-22-2011
' Wrote:Pics or gtfo?Ah, so the forum is up again.
I hope it stays that way for today.
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Here, I screened at least one of the threats.
Yep, I censored the name. This isn't about who send this messages.
What happened before is interesting too, to get that he really meant this serious:
I was having a discussion with one Bretonian civilian who seems to have some influence in Bretonia and a Captain (not one of those flying a cap ship...) of the BAF| which led nowhere.
It was about what's going to happen after that ore incident and the fight afterwards. (This was right after the shooting occured.)
Yes I don't care this was send by an ensign, for me this one is the messenger, just a worthless peon in the big game delivering the message.
Feels kinda bad that I don't have another BAF| war declaration, but looking through my logfile I couldn't spot it.
Rather hard to find one line in so much text.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Dab - 02-23-2011
So let me get this straight..
You took the words of a person who is literally our lowest rank in the faction, and from that decided BAF|'s actios?
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. You are brilliant.
Please send me, privately, the name of the BAF|, as I am a ranking member of that faction and as such need to investigate this.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Jack_Henderson - 02-23-2011
' Wrote:So let me get this straight..
You took the words of a person who is literally our lowest rank in the faction, and from that decided BAF|'s actios?
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. You are brilliant.
Please send me, privately, the name of the BAF|, as I am a ranking member of that faction and as such need to investigate this.
May I ask in return: What should we think and say? Oh, you are only an Ensign, you can declare war on us as often as you want... we will wait for the Admiral's word?
The assumption that something as grave as the statement was meant as it was said was rather close.
And... sorry, but when it comes to shooting, IMG are often the only ones who are willing to back down without doing a good round of pewpew while many (not all) BAF would gladly lock at a target they had never been able to shoot at.
So it was a valid assupmtion that this was a serious thing that would get our people shot.
If "Hey, enemy of Bretonia, can I have your telefon number?" is a serious thing, then THIS really is a serious thing. =)
Knock it off, Dumbliners - AeternusDoleo - 02-23-2011
You ask, I serve Dabs. This was from the 18th. See the orders from Cdr.R.Woodrow, ordering IMG vessels (any) to Hood or out of the system. Bit odd, since at the time I was coming to help boot some Sairs out of the system in an armed Dacite.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hendrik0/pics/110220/screen133.jpg
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I complied, and OORPly inquired if such an order had been passed by the admiralty... was told no such thing had happened. Didn't feel like making a big deal out of it though...
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Syrus - 02-23-2011
' Wrote:So let me get this straight..Nope. The conversation I had before this led to me believing in this being true.
You took the words of a person who is literally our lowest rank in the faction, and from that decided BAF|'s actios?
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. You are brilliant.
Please send me, privately, the name of the BAF|, as I am a ranking member of that faction and as such need to investigate this.
If it happened out of the blue, I would've called him an idiot and send the admirality a nice foto of him, asking why their pilots are flying around drunk, causing problems where no are.
(or at least something like that. probably a bit more friendly)
As I said, I don't care that it is an ensign. The situation made him being the official messenger.
He bears the BAF| tag, he's official. And you took our stuff very serious too.
No matter what we did. Even talking to someone who we met on accident and who doesn't shoot us, so... This happened right after talking to someone of higher rank, at that moment I was sure he had his orders.
Ah, and I see Aet has another incident screened. But I'm sure there was another one where we were told to stay at Hood or be shot at...But tzz...I'm not going to look for it again. Without screens this is void anyway.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Panzer - 02-23-2011
So let me get this straight -
IMG has to compete with BMM and piss them off a little from time to time to stay canon.
Everyone knows that, yet just one fellow using a carefree vigilante gets the foul play "evidence"
and as a result BAF| has to RPly react accordingly.
So we either assume, that canon stinks and IMG no longer is obliged to do anything about BMM thereby getting BAF off their backs...
Or we stick to it and... oh wait, in that case BAF can't do anything? How stupid is that?
Knock it off, Dumbliners - AeternusDoleo - 02-23-2011
' Wrote:So let me get this straight -IMG has to compete with BMM and they piss eachother off a little from time to time to stay canon.Fixed that.;)
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Tomtomrawr - 02-23-2011
' Wrote:So let me get this straight -It wasn't actually the vigilante who sent the evidence to the Admirality. Here it is. It was the miner's boss, Arthur Miller, who sent the report. The vigilante just responded when the miners called for his assistance.
IMG has to compete with BMM and piss them off a little from time to time to stay canon.
Everyone knows that, yet just one fellow using a carefree vigilante gets the foul play "evidence"
and as a result BAF| has to RPly react accordingly.
So we either assume, that canon stinks and IMG no longer is obliged to do anything about BMM thereby getting BAF off their backs...
Or we stick to it and... oh wait, in that case BAF can't do anything? How stupid is that?
Things have changed since the canon RP was set. Bretonia is at war with Kusari and they're going to react differently when they see people sabotaging their war economy. The IMG can continue to try and sabotage BMM operations and live with the consequences, or they can put their feud with BMM on hold for fear of losing their operations in Bretonia.
The part in bold is to be frank, ridiculous, as you said. The BAF should react in whatever way they want to whatever situation they find themselves in. There should be no restrictions. It's their role-play, their command. If they see the IMG sabotaging BMM operations which help the war effort, they should be allowed to act in any way they see fit.
Knock it off, Dumbliners - Jack_Henderson - 02-23-2011
' Wrote:The BAF should react in whatever way they want to whatever situation they find themselves in. There should be no restrictions. It's their role-play, their command. If they see the IMG sabotaging BMM operations which help the war effort, they should be allowed to act in any way they see fit.
In essence I agree. Just a few side notes:
Edit: I see the war has been taken into account in recent postings and ingame orders by the roleplayers that play the Bret counterpart. Thank you very very much for offering a way to let things cool down a bit between IMG and Brets. I appreciate it (as a player) and it's more fun when mistakes or actions that create play do not necessarily lead to harsh reactions because the situation is so tense. It also grants us more freedom to play with each other without creating bad scenarios with results that people do not like oorply. =)
Bretonian groups need to keep in te framework of the current situation. There is a war. They are getting shot up in Leeds on an almost daily basis. Losses are high. The center of attention and scrutiny is certainly not the IMG's small scale corporate rivalries with BMM. These are just normal things. Bretonia knows that BMM and IMG clash, and they would (in my view) treat them like children: not take things too seriously and when they cross the borders, slap their fingers. Not declare war, etc. So the ore-destruction incidence is like destroying the other child's sand castle. You get a slap on the fingers and a "don't do that again", if there is a reaction. The most common reaction would be that the child whose castle was destroyed gathers 5 of his friends and beats the vandal up. Situation change: IMG destroys a bit of ore, you shoot up a Hegemon. Fine. No need to have a system-war. Reserve extreme measures for extreme incidents, that's my opinion.
Sabotage actions were never seen. Because they don't even OORPly exist. The worst things IMG did is an act of vandalism. We do not sabotage the war effort. We are Bretonian citizens in Bretonia and we pay taxes, we are invited to work in Bretonia and we contribute to its wellbeing. If it was not like that, Bretonia would never have let Hood stay in IMG hands because if we were a harbour for Hogosha, a neutral base for Kusari spies, an Ally of the Molly rebellion and neutral to most threats of Bretonia ONLY, we would have been kickeed out of the system a looong time ago. So... we are still there, there must be a reason. I explained some. And taking these into consideration I come to the conclusion, that the actions taken by the authorities were in same instances exagerated.
I completely agree that they can do whatever they want as long as it is inside of roleplay. I won't question the roleplay of the IAB head, because he has his reasons and this is fine. I would have (as a player) expected another reaction, but that's roleplay. =) It becomes interesting by not knowing the other person's move. =)