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Outcast Gunboat MK III - Horon - 03-28-2008
Quote:Remember folks, the Outcast cap-ships are not Borderworlds caps. I imagine the GBs would be the same.Yes... and none of the current Outcast capital ships (last I checked) resemble the Borderworld line in any way. The Falcata is supposed to be Outcast specific (supposedly), however, it is a Borderworld ship according to the Infocard. However, I guess its natural to want to keep stuff you make to yourself, and your friends. This seems to be happening all over the place. Liberty and Rheinland forbid you to fly their Navy and Military ships if you are not in the Navy or Military. People get pissed off when they see someone flying a human accessible Nomad Fighter, Even though its supposed to be mostly safe...But thats a different story.
Outcast Gunboat MK III - Unseelie - 03-28-2008
The problem with calling it an outcast only ship is the fact that it looks like a Borderworlds design...very strongly Borderworld. The Outcast Capitals do not...also, claiming that it is a drain on resources is a faulty argument, because were it to be a Borderworld as opposed to Outcast ship, it would probably be produced somewhere else as well. The Outcasts could be easily said to be the main producers, but what's to prevent the hackers, or the Hessians, or the Zoners from producing one?
No offense meant to the parties involved, but both the 'Outcast' gunboat (modeled by eppy), and the 'zoner' Gunship (modeled by jinx) seem to be part of the same line of ships, and not an exclusive line, either. Trying to make either one exclusive to one faction seems to me to be powerplay by the creators, seeking to limit the ships to their own affiliations.
I do not understand why the Outcasts or the Zoners would sacrifice a working contract with the Borderworlds design community to design their own ships. The Borderworlds ships are excellent ships because of the massive breadth of the group making them. I do not believe either the Outcasts or the Zoners alone could make a ship that would be nearly as good as one worked on by Outcasts, Hackers, Hessians, and Zoners in concert.
Moreover, I believe the intended exclusivity of this ship will convince people that Borderworlds = Outcast, which is not true.
Edit: SED, your point is valid. your strategy leaves people less than pummeled with hammers.
Outcast Gunboat MK III - Horon - 03-28-2008
Quote:The problem with calling it an outcast only ship is the fact that it looks like a Borderworlds design...very strongly Borderworld. The Outcast Capitals do not...also, claiming that it is a drain on resources is a faulty argument, because were it to be a Borderworld as opposed to Outcast ship, it would probably be produced somewhere else as well. The Outcasts could be easily said to be the main producers, but what's to prevent the hackers, or the Hessians, or the Zoners from producing one?Thats basically what I was saying, but I was trying to be a smidgen more subtle... Guess I was too subtle.
No offense meant to the parties involved, but both the 'Outcast' gunboat (modeled by eppy), and the 'zoner' Gunship (modeled by jinx) seem to be part of the same line of ships, and not an exclusive line, either. Trying to make either one exclusive to one faction seems to me to be powerplay by the creators, seeking to limit the ships to their own affiliations.
I do not understand why the Outcasts or the Zoners would sacrifice a working contract with the Borderworlds design community to design their own ships. The Borderworlds ships are excellent ships because of the massive breadth of the group making them. I do not believe either the Outcasts or the Zoners alone could make a ship that would be nearly as good as one worked on by Outcasts, Hackers, Hessians, and Zoners in concert.
Moreover, I believe the intended exclusivity of this ship will convince people that Borderworlds = Outcast, which is not true.
Outcast Gunboat MK III - Eppy - 03-29-2008
Quote:Yes... and none of the current Outcast capital ships (last I checked) resemble the Borderworld line in any way.
AHEM.
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Anyways, why do we need a Borderworlds gunboat again? Civilians don't need a Gunboat, and if, for some reason they do, they can get one that looks like the Eagle. (No, I won't design it. Make Doom/AoM/Jinx do it. They're better with Ships-That-Aren't-Outcast than me) This is a Capital Warship. This means military applications. I imagine the Rheinland Military would have a problem with random Freelancers waltzing into New Berlin in gunboats. In fact, I think they already do. So why encourage the behavior? It'll only give people an RP reason to capwhore.
Outcast Gunboat MK III - Unseelie - 03-29-2008
That doesn't exactly call the sabre to mind, eppy....
Anyway, Borderworlds aren't exactly civvie ships. More, unaffiliated outlaw type ships. Ships the Hessians, hackers, LBW etc would fly....anyway, I would like to see it sold on casablanca, and in Vespucci in lew of some liberty ship....
Outcast Gunboat MK III - Eppy - 03-29-2008
Actually, the design is a direct evolution of the Saber. YOu just have to know what to look for. Remember, a Saber the size of a Battleship is a mighty big target, and not too maneuverable...something more compact and slim was in order, but the design features (namely, outrigging wings and multiple hulls) are there.
And maybe we can make a downgraded version. Four guns and half the armor:P
Outcast Gunboat MK III - Dopamino - 03-29-2008
I think the main problem with the GS is that you based it on the Sabre instead of the Dromedary or Outcast Destroyer. It looks like a super-powered fighter or bomber, not a GS.
Outcast Gunboat MK III - Eppy - 03-29-2008
Actually, that's what a Gunship really should be...look at the Orca. and the Dromedary. What do you see? A fighter cockpit there. It has a cargo hold attached, but in the end it's about as spacious as a Saber. In this thing there are four or so pilots, and the ship has room for very basic living space you don't see in the Dromedary. A Gunship is a difficult thing to classify, but I think a scaled-up Saber is most likely the norm. However, if you want to whine about this one like you have the last...um...three? I think it's been three-presented possibilities, then maybe you should go and make one yourself, Dopa...take some of the strain off of the current modeling system's shoulders and all.
Edit: Maybe I should make that simpler. It IS a Super Heavy Fighter. Gunships ARE Super Heavy Fighters, and if I had my way they'd be merged into a single class.
Outcast Gunboat MK III - Dopamino - 03-29-2008
So then it's not actually a gunboat?
Edit:Oh, and I am making my own. I found out SketchUp can export compatible file types, so I'm workin' on it as we speak.
Outcast Gunboat MK III - chopper - 03-29-2008
Quote:Where's the Borderworlds bomber then?
Just to answer to this..
Quote:Series ZX "Falcata" Border Worlds Bomber
Anyway, I don't know if it should be BW or Outcast only.
I know Hessians would use it anyway, same for LWB or any other Outcast ally.
I mean, we are seeing Rogues in OC destroyers every day.
Making it OC exclusive won't make it unavailable for them.
And it would be much more in RP for a Hessian to fly that thing then LH gunship.
So - it can be a BW gunship/boat. I have nothin' against it.
And, just to add - Gunboats aren't military only crafts.
They are vessels with most purposes in the Sirius.
They can pirate, they can be a cap ship, they can be a light ship.
They can also patrol or guard a position.
Cruisers, BC's and BS's are totally military ships.
Gunboats aren't. They are used widely by anyone who can afford one. And I mean in RP, not in game.