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RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - myg0t33 - 07-01-2014 (07-01-2014, 10:59 AM)Moriarty. Wrote: Then you can question that, for every NPC lawful base that sells contraband. And you know what? Nothing would happen if you submit a report that Slaves are being sold in Planet Pittsburg, BMM is sold in Detroit and so on and so forth. I get the feeling that what you would prefer is that BPA conveniently 'forget' that Inverness exists. The smugglers fly in from T31 in to Newcastle (they may use the little bit of Trade Lane to Belfast, but probably not), fly in to Inverness then in to Cortez. This allows them to basically avoid any and all interaction with BPA. If they want they can then fly in to California, Texas and never ever use a TL. This allows them to also then avoid the Liberty Lawfuls as well. The last time I caught a Junker smuggling was because he used the TL to Belfast and I noticed he was carrying Cardemine. He went in to Inverness and I decided to catch him at the Cortez JH. As I was arriving he exited the JH. He was in a Salvager and I was in a Templar. He refused to stop and we ended up in a shooting match and then he docked at Curacao and eventually logged off. Once I had left Cortez, he re-log and carried on with his journey. The more savvy of the Junkers know not to use the TLs and so hence they can avoid ever being caught. How is that involving interaction with other people? It seems to smack of Power Trading but in another form. Plenty of Pirates complain about not being able to catch Traders but the same goes for the Police catching the Smugglers. At least the Traders use TLs, can the same be said for the more savvy (JC) Smugglers? . RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Sath - 07-01-2014 I didn't actually mean that. What I meant was about the PoBs, and any legal action against them, would be a hit in smuggling around that area, since smugglers, use those bases as a pick up point for contraband. RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - myg0t33 - 07-01-2014 (07-01-2014, 11:11 AM)Moriarty. Wrote: The Junkers care because BPA, who, for some odd reason, try to force the Bretonian base building rules on the Junker PoBs in that system. If that was considered to be an independant/Junker system, then the Brets shouldn't be there. I don't know for what legit reason, Bretonia is claiming Inverness and extending their house laws there. Seems like they have enough time to care about Inverness, rather than fighting the Gauls. I think the information contained in quotes below should be sufficient to answer your questions above. Quote:Logic involves that I am a Policeman not an Armed Forces person. It is the job of the BAF to fight the GRN and the job of the Police to hmm.....Police. The reason the BPA (which are the Police by the way) enforce the Base Building Rules on the Junkers is because if you care to read the Laws of Bretonia it is stated in there that all Bases built within Bretonia (this also extends to Cortez, Magellan, Inverness, Chester and O-3) must comply to the Laws. Until they are changed the BPA will carry out their Duties as is expected. I have included the link for your perusal. http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=8584&pid=290661#pid290661 . RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Thyrzul - 07-01-2014 Imo BPA should be more concerned about actual unlawfuls - like Corsairs, Mollys, Gaians - and a hostile navy knocking on the doors of their capital system, and if contraband smuggling would become too much of an issue, they can just as well patrol the lanes of Newcastle and Cortez, which they have to anyways, because of GRN.
The time police officers spend on running after random junkers building random bases in a system they have more NPC bases than BPA, that time could as well be spent on protecting traders from pirates, fighting frogs in Leeds, watching over Sprague, etc. RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - myg0t33 - 07-01-2014 (07-01-2014, 11:50 AM)Thyrzul Wrote: The BPA don't go after Junkers building random Bases in Inverness. The one Base that they built they promptly, after registering it, destroyed it. The other two were moved there by the Admins when the ability to move Bases became available for a one time move. As for the Junkers having more NPC bases than the BPA, that would equal 1. The BPA have no Bases is Cortez, Magellan or Chester but we still have control over them. Maybe we should ignore those as well? Cortez has 1 Planet which is control by Orbital Spa and a Rogue Base. Magellan has a Freeport (IMG/LN controlled) and a LH Base. Chester there is a Nomad Base. And as I have said in previous posts, if you actually care to read them, is I, as a BPA Officer, visit the Legal Bases every now and then. I will also re-iterate, the job of the Police is not to fight the Gallics in Leeds but to Police the Bretonian Systems against lawbreakers. BAF's job is to fight the enemies we are at war with. As for patrolling the Lanes of Newcastle and Cortez how is this going to help when the smugglers come in from T31 (quite away from a TL) head to Inverness (yet again quite away from a TL) go through Inverness (no TLs) arrive in Cortez (still quite away from a TL) head to the California JH (still miles away from a TL) enter California (having never used a TL)? From there they can safely arrive in Texas having never used a TL since leaving Omicron Alpha. If they are feeling lucky they may use the southern TL in California to get from one side of the system to the other before taking the JH in to Texas. . RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Thyrzul - 07-01-2014 (07-01-2014, 12:30 PM)myg0t33 Wrote: The BPA have no Bases is Cortez, Magellan or Chester but we still have control over them. Wait a bit here, let's clarify a few things. The words "control" and "claim" don't mean the same. Bretonia has a claim over Chester and agreed to have Magellan and Cortez as joint protectorates with Liberty. Given that, they have control over Magellan and Cortez, because GRN is expected to hit there, so BAF keeps an eye out on these systems. Chester? Who needs that? It's an empty system with a hidden Nomad den, nobody is contesting Bretonian claim over it, no need for actual control.
Now, that we got past that... The key point here is to prioritize. I don't think the House of Bretonia is in the situation to afford the luxury of letting police forces and resources spent (dare I say wasted) on chasing down petty pirates, and even less significant junkers while Leeds is about to lose it's last planetary fortifications and finally get conquered by GRN. But of course it is in your right to believe that because it's called Bretonian Police Authority, it's not your duty to fight against the Gallic advance. If you are hanging from a cliff by one hand, the other being free, and your anus would start to itch, what would you do? Try to get a hang with your other hand and attempt climbing up or scratch your butt first? RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - myg0t33 - 07-01-2014 (07-01-2014, 01:16 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: BAF and BPA are two separate entities. I have been discussing BPA not BAF. Bretonia has laid claim to Inverness as long as I can remember. Should we just ignore it because the wolves are at the doors? So your idea of the Police is to fight the Gallics and ignore everything else? I don't see this as being reasonable. You seem to like analogies as well. So I will try this one again. During World War II Britain, with help from its Allies, invaded Europe. I know I am old, but not that old, but I am certain that when the Armed Forces invaded France that Britain still had a Police Force that stayed at Home and carried on catching Criminals. If not then all the petty Criminals must have had a field day from 6th June 1944 to 8th May 1945 (11 months). They must have hated it when the War finished. This taken from the BPA Forums. This is basically our Terms of Reference (Job Description). Quote:This is the Bretonia Police Authority. Widely held to be a bastion of justice throughout Sirius, the BPA is respected by friends and foes alike. The BPA is responsible for the public safety of all Bretonian citizens and foreign visitors, provided that they are not hostile towards Bretonia, our Allies, or ourselves. Standard Operations include scanning transports for contraband, collecting fines, upholding the embargo and operating the important Licensure Board. As the BPA is also responsible for the safety of the public, we will engage pirates, terrorists, and other enemies only when they are a threat to us and the public. . RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Thyrzul - 07-01-2014 I didn't say ignore, I said prioritize. You can scratch your butt once you are on your feet safe and sound.
Staying at my own analogy, because I don't think yours could be a proper parallel to this situation. Contrary to WW2, where Britain has not been invaded, had no fights on it's own lands (as far as I can tell, there were failed attempts at air strikes by Germany), thus police and hostile military "ZoI" did not collide, here we have Bretonia getting it's territory taken, local police and hostile naval ZoIs kinda overlap. Yes, I like analogies if they fit the situation, yours did not for the reasons mentioned above. And the Terms of Reference you quoted has nothing in it against police engaging hostile naval units they encounter, it would kinda fit the Quote:As the BPA is also responsible for the safety of the public, we will engage pirates, terrorists, and other enemies only when they are a threat to us and the public.part. Again, prioritize. RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Marcus - 07-01-2014 -----------If you want to ignore the rest then this little paragraph is most relevant point----------- The main point that seems to be circling is that the act of sticking our noses into player bases would reduce smuggler activity, therefore give us less to do as well, and in general kill of some wonderful RP opportunities. From this I can only assume that people haven't been reading. I have mentioned here, several times, that the BPA is more then happy to sit down and talk about how we can sort this out while still allowing the Junkers to sell their stuff. I even gave examples. Prehaps people arn't taking me seriously? Does happen, not everyone gets about. For those that don't know I happen the be the leader of the BPA, the little chap that wanders about Bretonia and wrote half the laws. I also happen to love smugglers and chasing them, I love illegal bases due to the suppliers they bring and it's been a dissapointment for every new version that comes out that there isn't high level smuggling routes included. That the matter hasn't been resolved already is frankly because I had expected the Junkers back with some new offer other then give us the system for a couple of billions credits. Something that would've interesting, like even attempting to bribe their way out, or bribing one of the other Bretonian factions into speaking up for them, or offering to broker prisoner returns from the Mollys/Corsairs/Gaian/etc in return for some space, or offering to pass along some information about some of the smugglers that pass through, or prehaps trying to get the base reclassed as a dumping ground for ships wrecks and oops some of those happened to be carrying something illegal sorry about that officer here you go... Hell at this point I'd take a couple of Junkers protesting at New London orbit shouting out "Inverness for Junkers! Junk for Junkers!". ----------- The idea that the police need to be focusing on the war rather then policing is shortsighted in both RP and Oorp terms. If things such as illegal drugs start entering into the poplution unrestricted then whats to stop a power planet operator from getting stoned out of his mind, go nuts and knock out power for an entire city? A war isn't just about grabbing a gun a shooting the other side, it requires a stable economy and work force in order to support the military in everything from ship building to rations. If all the police are off fighting in the war then there's nothing to stop the corruption that ultimately would bring down the house regardless. Smugglers arn't harmless little fellows trying to make the best of a bad situation, they sneak in anything worthwhile. If I was attacking a nation which had an occupied police and active smugglers I'd contract one to smuggle in strike forces right to the captial. In oorp, if all the police do is shoot down gallics and pirates then why the hell do we bother to have a police force? I joined the BPA because I LIKE catching smugglers and because it had more to do then wandering around looking for something to shoot. It's fun to me, I've hunted down those slippery suckers for years. We go around upholding the law and checking up on things because we want to, because shaking things up once and a while and doing something you haven't for a while is a nice change. Enjoyment in our work, that is the point of all this isn't it? If everything players did had to be completely RP valid then things would get very boring very fast. People seem to be complaining that Inverness is too far out. I'm not sure if you've noticed but I can travel from one side of Bretonia to the other in 10 minutes. I don't think I'm really leaving the entire house undefended if I take 5 minutes to nip off to an odd corner once and a while to see whats up, and considering that several BPA ships sport cloaking devices then those nasty pirates blocking the way arn't a bother. In peroids of low server activity it has gotten to the point of nothing for us to do that we'd setup a prisoner convoy run to Liberty. There also seems to be the confusion that since npcs bases arn't getting fined then why should the Player bases? I'm not entirely sure how to explain this but when have players and npcs ever been the same? I don't go complain to the Junker congress because my police hussar was held up by a npc junker for my water. The items on display at player bases are under the complete control of the player. This of course all comes about because of a report that hasn't yet been filed, about illegal goods on a station that we could only prove held about 5000 units if using a Shetland unless we brought the lot. A report that would've included a fine of about 5,000,000 credits as per Bretonian Interstellar law 3.1. People seem to be thinking that we'd be going back there every single day and taking more shots because the police really like to make peoples lives miserable don't they? How long has this base been selling contraband and yet this is the first time we're hearing about this nasty affiar? RE: Can we please have some clarity in Inverness? - Echo 7-7 - 07-01-2014 (06-30-2014, 09:10 PM)AceofSpades Wrote: ... That's pretty much unfeasible to be implemented as a formal rule. |