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DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Virus - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:Crikey, why didn't I think o' that? It's so ball-bustingly simple!
Come on people. '_'
Ball bustingly simple if you aren't doing the hours and hours of math so as not to create a super-route... Of course, you'd still have to talk to Xoria and convince him to do it since he's the only one willing/capable to spend the time to make routes.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Politus - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:Ball bustingly simple if you aren't doing the hours and hours of math so as not to create a super-route... Of course, you'd still have to talk to Xoria and convince him to do it since he's the only one willing/capable to spend the time to make routes.I'd do it if I knew how. People keep me locked up in a big box most of the time, so I dun know how to do much.
But just for a rough-example of how to add onto the established "person-to" routes, you take one of the VIP routes and at the other end, either on the end station or a station within the system, place another "person" commodity route going back which has slightly less profit per cargo unit of the usual goods taken from there. E.G. I know that for my SRF character, I take refugees to Planet Holstein and then I take fertilizers back to Cambridge, then meds from there to Leeds.
You could have refugees to holstein, then let's say scientists from another station in-system, or from a station in NB, to take to Cambridge but for slightly. From there, it's only a jump hole to Leeds. It's a tad roundabout, but it could be worked.
If I was allowed, I would gladly work on this in my spare time.
edit: I guess I'm saying that we could do the above so that Liners don't become tradewhore ships because there will be better alternatives, but for those who are RPing personnel transports, they allow the player to remain solvent.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Eppy - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:Well, speaking as one who's flown different liners since 4.83, Liners and their cargo need some love.
I'm wholly in favor of taking the liner restriction out of IDs, instead going with the restrictions on cargo space and treating them like transports. BUT I would also like to see liners restricted to hauling no more than 50 units of non-human cargo. 50 is enough units to haul RP commodities, but I do not want to see every jackass flying around with Engine Components in their liners.
Liners aren't "tough shells of ships", they're purpose-built people-movers (except the Pilgrim, which should be reclassified as a transport, but that's another story). They should NOT be allowed to haul whatever they like, regardless of individual RP. Yes, N00blet, I'm calling for a restriction on "RP" by a rule. There are enough transports about that some transport pilot doesn't need a "stripped out" luxury liner to haul it's goods, there's no justifiable reason other than you want big cargo and big guns.
Also, I wouldn't even bother with putting them on the tech chart. Corporations are the only ones allowed to really fly anything above 5k, so keep that and make all Liner's cargo above 3800 and only those with corporate IDs can fly them anyway. That may mean that a Kruger can be flying a liner, by why would they when Liners are restricted to < 50 non-human cargo?
What this would entail, however, is a better system of passenger service than what we currently have. Right now in my Royal Liner, my route takes about 1.5 hrs for about 12 million profit. That's ludicrously low and a big reason PanGal and others aren't around as much. Trade factions (and I posit that OSC is such) need trade routes.
$.02
edit: Yup, this may mean that the ZAS can't fly their liners w/o an SRP, which they already have, and can knock themselves out with.
Also, HFM, we get it, you don't like the way things are run around here. Get a new schtick, this one's old. Please?
I like this guy's idea. Every single little bit of it. This post is a glowing example of everything we as as liner pilots require.
Love,
Epps
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Eppy - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:Care to provide any corroboration or evidence for that, or is it just a chance for you to flame a faction you know nothing about?
Mike, don't deny it. The IND RP is that it owns everybody's ass.
That said, there is nothing wrong with that. It just happens that it's old enough to have developed very well and worked out appropriately.
But, again, that is in essence exactly what IND's RP is.
EDIT: Grr, stupid mergepost failed. If the local mod gets bored fixah me uppa, pleasah?
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Zelot - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:Mike, don't deny it. The IND RP is that it owns everybody's ass.
That said, there is nothing wrong with that. It just happens that it's old enough to have developed very well and worked out appropriately.
But, again, that is in essence exactly what IND's RP is.
EDIT: Grr, stupid mergepost failed. If the local mod gets bored fixah me uppa, pleasah?
Epstien, care to tell me when in your time in the IND you saw convoys of IND ships powertrading through Zone 21?
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Eppy - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:Epstien, care to tell me when in your time in the IND you saw convoys of IND ships powertrading through Zone 21?
Zone 21? We never did Zone 21. Why on earth would we? So much more money to be made powertrading to every single other base one of our membership seems to conveniently hold a share in. Admittedly, I should give clarity to his post; he is technically incorrect for, as we recall, we never did Artifacts (hello Outcast backing), but the intent of his comment was quite clear.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:Zone 21? We never did Zone 21. Why on earth would we? So much more money to be made powertrading to every single other base one of our membership seems to conveniently hold a share in. Admittedly, I should give clarity to his post; he is technically incorrect for, as we recall, we never did Artifacts (hello Outcast backing), but the intent of his comment was quite clear.
In the past Ive seen IND 5ks with 2.5k cardie and 2.5k artifacts.
Arriving in Z21 via alaska.
Ive talked to others whom have seen the same thing.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Zelot - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:In the past Ive seen IND 5ks with 2.5k cardie and 2.5k artifacts.
Arriving in Z21 via alaska.
Ive talked to others whom have seen the same thing.
And again I will ask you, or any of these people -you- say saw it, for evidence. You see the thing is, a convoy of IND ships passing though the New York to Alaska Jumpgate is something so many people would want to use against the IND, that I am quite certain there would be many many many many many screen shots of said action. As there are not, and as no one has jumped up to join your claim for IND ship carrying Cardi and Artifacts from Alaska into New York, I am going to suggest that you are mistaken in your assertion. If you would, please stop making baseless claims about the IND. There are many claims with a basis you can make against the IND, why dont we stick to those.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:And again I will ask you, or any of these people -you- say saw it, for evidence. You see the thing is, a convoy of IND ships passing though the New York to Alaska Jumpgate is something so many people would want to use against the IND, that I am quite certain there would be many many many many many screen shots of said action. As there are not, and as no one has jumped up to join your claim for IND ship carrying Cardi and Artifacts from Alaska into New York, I am going to suggest that you are mistaken in your assertion. If you would, please stop making baseless claims about the IND. There are many claims with a basis you can make against the IND, why dont we stick to those.
As I said before, it was a while back. I didnt bother to SS anything.
This isnt some Comms thread were IND can go 'dat dint happn lol' and make it go away, I stick my my assertation.
Deal with it.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Blodo - 04-05-2010
Well Harcourt, I claim that I saw you in a Zoner tagged Juggernaut shooting Liberty Navy next to Manhattan. Evidence you say? Oh, it was a while back and I didn't bother with taking screenshots. However, I stand by my accusation as this isn't a comm channel thread after all, is it now?
You are such a massive troll that sometimes I wonder why anyone on these forums ever bothers to take anything you say with one iota of seriousness. And now you proceed to destroy this thread with your clueless flaming of everything? You're a long way away from flood now you know, and I will proceed to destroy every post you make in this thread from now on that will be in even a small way off topic. Starting now. No warnings, no PMs. Just so you know.
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Now to the more important stuff:
I do not support restricting liner cargo by a server rule. That will only cause another flood of ridiculous sanctions. Instead, what we should do is an FLhook plugin that will restrict liner cargo to human cargo only. Perhaps set aside 50 cargo space for any non human cargo as well. That should solve the problem.
In addition to that I support the notion of particular factions earning the right to deal particular liners to the rest of Sirius based on which liners belong to them. In this case OSC would have the Lux Liner, Bretonian government the Royal Liner, and Sirius police forces the Prison Liner. More RP, less restrictions, less waiting for the admins.
That's my take on it.