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RE: <Z>- Information + #Feedback ( Unfinished) - Implosion - 04-11-2013

(04-11-2013, 05:10 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: we just don't like you because were against having nomads around, that includes its tech.
Okay, let me see if I got this right, you don't like so you'll shoot us.
That's it. Everything else you say is mostly throwing dust.
Why? I'll tell you why.
For every nomad cannon we (The Core) have, the order has 50 of those.
If you disliked nomad tech that much, you wouldn't aid them.
But you don't care about that because it's the Order with whom you have an "Unshakeable" Alliance. And alliance that dates before you or I even knew about Discovery.
That's how I see it.


RE: <Z>- Information + #Feedback ( Unfinished) - Zen_Mechanics - 04-11-2013

(04-11-2013, 05:26 PM)Dan Silince Wrote:
The idea of making a "global Zoner group" when having a faction establishing "no global group" from the beginning (supported by the roleplay of players and successful groups established long before) wouldn't be done without very serious cautions and tact, everyone felt that was coming.

That stated, let's be more constructive. If this Zoner group can't be created as you expected, whatever the causes, it doesn't mean you have to quit making a Zoner group. You just have to find a way to characterize what you really want to play (the way you want to have fun and share with other players), and to put it both RP on the forum and in-game so that players may identify clearly what you are aiming for. I'm not against that at all. You want to have a very engaging RP, as IFF/ID Zoner, but since you have difficulties to put it through, allow me a little.

Tel-Aviv Wrote:...get some ties with other factions but at the same time have an active millitary branch which we would use very often.

You seem to really want being active in the military. You want to elaborate/be involved in a lot of combat situations, don't you ? Both spontaneously in-game with your friends and in rp/events, I presume. Being military-heavy with Zoners can look antagonist, I agree, but even that could be played if you characterize it correctly.

For instance, you could play as a group of Zoners with a more radical approach toward other (hostile) factions. But you don't want to shaken the bond you have with the other Zoners (and their important groups), or get them angry because what you do shaken their own bonds with other groups. So you have to be sneaky (and this can be a very strong red-line for your group). It means you are ready to hide you activities, conceal proofs so that the victims (as well as other Zoners) may suspect nothing.

I have two examples :
- you're directly hitting one Faction with your space warriors. You have to be identified as your group to other players, fast in your strike, and leave rapidly too. Then when threads appear in the forum, accusing Zoners of terrorism, your role is to firmly deny (in roleplay of course) the attack with a brilliant post. The aim isn't to argue with other player, but to handled a precious diplomatic role so that your group may survive any information that may cause you troubles.
You can develop diplomatic roleplay too from that point (Why not bribing officials ? Nobody is perfect...)
-you hire mercenaries to do the job and you pay them in the dark when the awful deed is done. You would be the only Zoner group to have this kind of activity, and people would gladly have another reason to wander in the Omicrons to pew pew friendlily.
-what does it means too ? You will have to find your kind mercenaries in the Houses ! Tons of opportunities for you to contact existing groups and Factions, and create pacts, alliances, long-term bonds and much.

Tel-Aviv Wrote:As for aerelm, we actually want to focus on our economy and how we can improve it...

Well if you want economy, why not try to develop the economy of a resource that isn't really pushed by the other groups ? Remember, the OSI has a big specialization in delivery. Find one commodity that can be interesting regarding the Omicrons and the Houses, and develop it. You'll find buyers as long as you are ready to play and entertain it.
Let's even go further with that. Why not using it as a weapon of war ? I mean certainly The Wild can really be interested in shipment of Cardamine (and if they don't, my example still works ! AH !), but poisoned Cardamine that kill them slowly ? You gain an ally by trade, you win a lot of money while you are destroying them from the very inside - AND engaging players through all the game AND creating interesting roleplay tension AND creating a fun story.

So, you see, there is a lot of potential to do it good. What I have presented is kind of a tricky RP, I admit it, but it can be really interesting to have a "hidden Zoner group that don't go by the rule" theme going around. People would like it. It's up to you to put it right now, don't feel alone there are people ready too help you.

ive read everything and yes you have many good points, i consider the millitary branch because let's be honest zoners right now are a punching bag and i say that ougth to be changed. Words doesn't always help so having a millitary force will see that people start to respect zoners more.
And from what i know, zoners were the ones who found most of the omicrons so it is as saying the indians "really" own america but in reality they are not.
Anyway, the millitary stays ( sorry ) cuz its annoying that people see zoners as weaklings and im trying something really hard here and people keep telling " its not going to work " because.. who knows, they are scared? - and thats not feedback to me, i want people's advices to keep this faction going, not having a guy here who chooses to interupt " we dont like your attitude with the order" as "WE DONT LIKE YOU, WAR" - what a waste.
Anyway, You said good things and i'll re-vision this whole thing but the millitary (its essential and well, waste of ships if not ).
Thanks


RE: <Z>- Information + #Feedback ( Unfinished) - Zen_Mechanics - 04-11-2013

(04-11-2013, 05:28 PM)Implosion Wrote:
(04-11-2013, 05:10 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: we just don't like you because were against having nomads around, that includes its tech.
Okay, let me see if I got this right, you don't like so you'll shoot us.
That's it. Everything else you say is mostly throwing dust.
Why? I'll tell you why.
For every nomad cannon we (The Core) have, the order has 50 of those.
If you disliked nomad tech that much, you wouldn't aid them.
But you don't care about that because it's the Order with whom you have an "Unshakeable" Alliance. And alliance that dates before you or I even knew about Discovery.
That's how I see it.

Again, i did not say i will shoot but if thats the only solution, i sure will, im sure zoners holding backshots in 58 who ignore your request will have the same experience, and heres a newsflash - no one could have used nommie guns in the old order| faction, now it is allowed but other than pheonix and hannah ( i also think she decided otherwise ) hold them.
Having nomad tech to destroy nomads is fine which is why we should activly help The order, because they are not there to have nomad tech, they are there to kill them, unlike the guild core.
And fine, you can take my words as you want just don't edit them and make me look like a lier.


RE: <Z>- Information + #Feedback ( Unfinished) - n00bl3t - 04-11-2013

(04-11-2013, 05:28 PM)Implosion Wrote: Okay, let me see if I got this right, you don't like so you'll shoot us.
That's it. Everything else you say is mostly throwing dust.


Either way, I recommend re-reading the translated post I put up.

(04-11-2013, 08:25 AM)n00bl3t Wrote:
Bounty Hunters Guild Core


We extend our hands and thank you for the valuable service in the Omicrons. We dislike your use of violence against The Order. Your ignorance of the dangers in pursuing nomad technology will only cause more trouble. We don't want any part of it. Do not bring any type of nomad technology or remains/wrecks to our homes unless you are donating it for research purposes. (We will take it and transfer it to our research stations ourselves.)



RE: <Z>- Information + #Feedback ( Unfinished) - Zen_Mechanics - 04-11-2013

(04-11-2013, 05:46 PM)n00bl3t Wrote:
(04-11-2013, 05:28 PM)Implosion Wrote: Okay, let me see if I got this right, you don't like so you'll shoot us.
That's it. Everything else you say is mostly throwing dust.


Either way, I recommend re-reading the translated post I put up.

(04-11-2013, 08:25 AM)n00bl3t Wrote:
Bounty Hunters Guild Core


We extend our hands and thank you for the valuable service in the Omicrons. We dislike your use of violence against The Order. Your ignorance of the dangers in pursuing nomad technology will only cause more trouble. We don't want any part of it. Do not bring any type of nomad technology or remains/wrecks to our homes unless you are donating it for research purposes. (We will take it and transfer it to our research stations ourselves.)

People here have some language issues but I admit i should state things differently then just so people will stop accusing me of things that i haven't said.
I'll edit the info with your description if i may, and thanks for standing by and understand i really appericiate it.


RE: <Z>- Information + #Feedback ( Unfinished) - Agmen of Eladesor - 04-11-2013

Phone again.
Regarding the 'newsflash', the Order official faction and the Core official faction both used the Nomad guns that previously existed in the game.
That's why we had a hand wringing episode when we had to get more from someone in the nomads because a bank ship disappeared.
We're not looking for an excuse to shoot you, you're giving us a legitimate and in rp reason to do so.
(Side note, I didn't realize Cam was banned. )


RE: <Z>- Information + #Feedback ( Unfinished) - Zen_Mechanics - 04-11-2013

(04-11-2013, 06:08 PM)Agmen of Eladesor Wrote: Phone again.
Regarding the 'newsflash', the Order official faction and the Core official faction both used the Nomad guns that previously existed in the game.
That's why we had a hand wringing episode when we had to get more from someone in the nomads because a bank ship disappeared.
We're not looking for an excuse to shoot you, you're giving us a legitimate and in rp reason to do so.
(Side note, I didn't realize Cam was banned. )

Check the info page under "Core" - it has been edited, I guess that solves it.
Frankly i don't care about both of you really, its just an endless cycle of killing and dying, why not ally? anyway im going off-topic, if u have tips,suggestions and more feedback, please share them.


RE: <Z>- Information + #Feedback ( Unfinished) - princeps008 - 04-12-2013

I will ask you to remove the ZHR group from the Diplomacy list since no RP (game or forum) was done in that sense. Or ZHR help came for a Zoner cause, for the Confederation and not specifically for you as an individual group.
Thank you


RE: <Z>- Information + #Feedback ( Unfinished) - Crowbar - 04-12-2013

I still remember Obsidians,they failed exactly where you are heading..
Openly helping Order,not a good idea.
I bet Core is just waiting for a such mistake,and they are not a very pleasant bunch.
Why not just keep with old "secretly suporting Order" deal,sounds much more like a Zoner thing.
For what you are about to do,total re-do of the Zoner id is needed,Zoners are not warriors..per say.
They can police their own systems,and that's about it.

But feel free to try,I wish you all the best,and I realy hope your group makes it....


RE: <Z>- Information + #Feedback ( Unfinished) - Zoner-Trader - 04-12-2013

tbh after recent events i think we should re-think the whole relationship with Core and Order, it seems they work together not against each other as everyone believes, so maybe a neutral stance with both...just a thought