(02-22-2018, 09:14 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: Tolerable for some, certainly not for all. We can hit 100 players on good days. These ships being locked to the regions they're supposed to be in won't rapidly reduce the player count. Anyone who thinks so is scaremongering tbh.

(02-22-2018, 11:00 PM)Ash Wrote: Older players tend to have this misplaced sense of entitlement to lay down the laws of the mod and how it should be played. What I say is this, put yourself in the shoes of a newer player who may only have the faintest grasp of the dizzying complexity of layers upon layers of Discovery lore. Canon discovery lore has been continuosly written by players for well over a decade. It is unfair for an enclave of regulars to stamp out any outliers that don't fall within their idea of what is acceptable. That in itself is a form of metagaming be it widely accepted or not.

Drawing evermore lines in the sand with rules is only going to cause more unexperienced players to cross them unknowingly. On top of that it stitches everyones RP possibilities down to the mod standards and railroads roleplay until everyone has a character for every single faction. Who has the time for that except regular long time players?

Ideas like this marginalise independent IDs and continuously restrict what they can and cannot do until the career that's supposed to give you freedom is all but sapped of it. Note that i'm not advocating to relax existing regulations but meerly pointing out that not everything can be solved with rules.

(02-22-2018, 11:00 PM)Ash Wrote: Honestly, i don't know why this is stirring such a fuss. Knowing what a hornet's nest the Omicrons can be especially with the zealous reputation of some of our players, taking a random cap there is practically begging for a ganking.

(02-23-2018, 12:57 AM)MotokoSusu Wrote: Lythrilux writes:

"Haha. It's well within my capability to pull organised gangs of people to pummel foreign caps whenever they come into my area of play, but that wouldn't be very nice or constructive. I'd rather find a permanent solution."

You use "My area of play " I think we found the underlying issue at hand right there. you perceive these area as if you own them as a personal asset and no one is allowed on "YOUR" playground unless every one use your ball.

(02-23-2018, 04:28 AM)pat Wrote: From my limited understanding of this post, this is just so that factions like, Core, Order, and all that other lovely stuff in that sector dont have to deal with exotics. It also kind of sounds like you are struggling to enforce RP law on singular vessels. I'm not grasping this very well, I need someone to explain to me, how locking indies to snubs to go places that aren't normal to their ID, would benefit ANYONE. I mean sure, other players wouldn't have to log on to make an interaction. But why would official caps be able to fly free? Is this some kind of joke to get more members for factions? Because it would make even less sense for a official cap to be flying out of their ZoI without a reason. And like most said, "Exploration and getting lost is not an excuse".

Edit: A quick note to add, if you dont let a noobie explore things for himself, he'll never learn, If you give him a bad experience in one of the most populated places on the server, Hes probably just going to leave and never come back to said location or the mod itself. Its like sticking your finger in the door, you dont know how painful it is until you try it. Or like eating something for the first time, you never know it until you try it.

To also note, the reason you will find many new players in random locations that have absolutely nothing to do with their ID, could be for many reasons. There might be very low activity in their ZoI, or perhaps their just not enjoying the place their in with their vessel. I mean sure, you get the baiter a lot, but honestly those aren't a problem. Blow em up and go do something else, because they will too. If you want to seriously deal with this problem, if its a baiter, blow it up. If its a newbie, you sit down with them and tell them your prospective on server RP and then ask them theirs and what they have intentions for. Blowing them up then ranting about it just doesn't cut it, this is a roleplay server on a space game, expect what you typically wouldnt, nothing is perfect. And just blowing up clueless players because your zealous about your gameplay style isnt how a COMMUNITY should act.

(02-23-2018, 01:32 AM)Lythrilux Wrote: Look, everyone. This suggested change has solid proof that it works without pushing away newbies (the poor helpless newbies!), killing the mod or destroying all that is good and reducing activity. It's not going to create a million new sanctions as if post-change all our new members will suddenly be unable to read. People need to stop being so emotional and hysterical and look at the facts. If it works with The Core and Order IDs, and has lead to the creation of many SRPs where players have proven they can be trusted to use those Capitals outside of ZoI, then it can work for all IDs. The end result can only be beneficial.

And to reiterate this because people don't read: this change won't affect the Zoner ID, or any ID that doesn't have a stated ZoI. This change is also about IDs, not the ships themselves. It would be represented as an ID line, not a rule.