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DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Xoria - 04-05-2010
My thinking is along the same lines as Blodo's, both on and off topic.
However, I also would want Lux Liners to get 4900 cargo with a FLHook non-human cargo limitation, but the precise amount of that cargo limitation should be higher than 50 by a pretty good margin, due to new luxury commodities that I cannot divulge without my Developer shock collar going off. Some number between 200 & 500 would be fine. I don't know to what extent our own FLHook modifications are used by other Discovery servers, though, so an infocard cargo limitation is not a bad idea, especially since it prewarns people about the FLHook limitation which they otherwise might not be aware of until after they purchase the liner. It's very simple, really : "The Luxury Liner has a cargo deck capable of transporting only 350 standard cargo units in addition to it's passengers."
And by the way, the current liner routes are basically 3 stop triangles arranged around Shetland, Hawaii, Baden Baden, Curacao, and Augsburg.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - cmfalconer - 04-05-2010
' Wrote:And by the way, the current liner routes are basically 3 stop triangles arranged around Shetland, Hawaii, Baden Baden, Curacao, and Augsburg.
I know, I've flown them. Most are also blockade running at some point along the route. And OBSCENELY long routes for very little profit.
Add in the House Capital planets. Please. And not for some paltry sum. Liberty Passengers should sell well in on NL and NT, but not NB. Rheinland passengers should sell well on NL and NT, but not Mann. and so on.
I'd also like liners to get a couple (two at most) gunboat turrets as well, with enough power to actually fire them. But that's just a pipe-dream.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Blaze - 04-06-2010
What if the cargo space of luxury liners is increased to 5000 units and restrict them to Tourists Refugees and Vips.
And make it against the rules to transport human cargo(except slaves) in anything else except a luxury liner.
And increase the trade route profits too as the OSC does all this for its personal gain
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Politus - 04-06-2010
' Wrote:What if the cargo space of luxury liners is increased to 5000 units and restrict them to Tourists Refugees and Vips.OSC isn't the only group with an interest in transporting people.
And make it against the rules to transport human cargo(except slaves) in anything else except a luxury liner.
And increase the trade route profits too as the OSC does all this for its personal gain
Heck, most of your suggestions would throw the baby out with the bathwater. We're trying to provide incentive to use Liners and RP with them, not just give OSC a cash cow and screw the rest.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd - 04-06-2010
Better yet......
Add multiple cargo pods for trains and what not.
Have differnt pods allow the transport of differnt goods.
Passanger pods (poor mans lux liner)
Ore pods (designed to haul bulk quantities of loose ore)
etc etc
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - n00bl3t - 04-06-2010
' Wrote:And make it against the rules to transport human cargo(except slaves) in anything else except a luxury liner.
What?
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - ... kur nubėgo? - 04-06-2010
' Wrote:I solo Liners in a bomber, easily.
Liners are just suckish transports.
But a gunboat with universal armor upgrage would fail versus a liner in 4.85 early times.
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - cmfalconer - 04-06-2010
No, Liners are just large, long, underarmed transports. It's like trying to use weapons designed for small transports on big ships...it doesn't work well. Hell, transport weaponry (in general) on a Liner is so useless my Royal Liner has a combination of Wildfire, Eco, and Bluebell chainguns to give the tourists a laser light show (plays nightly!)
No specialized cargo pods either please. I scoff whenever I see people hauling any kind of human cargo in anything other than a liner (or yacht), but do realize that SOME types of transports COULD be modified, aka single hold, fully pressurized, etc. But by and large, what honest-to-goodness VIP would pass up the chance to travel in a Luxury or Royal liner for the chance to sit in some jacked-up rigged cargopod strapped to an Advanced Train? None really.
@Blaze, you're forgetting the Royal Liner, the Geisha, the Yacht, the Armored Transport (which in RP is a passenger hauler). These all should have the opportunity to haul too, not just the Luxury liner.
It's not "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater" (although, that reference always makes me chuckle) to want to make something better than it is, but the trick is to do it correctly. Yes, things around here tend to be knee-jerk nerfed to oblivion when an exploit is found, instead of a slight tweak which is what's usually all that's needed.
As I stated before, a few small things changed, that coupled with the current set of regulations, would in my opinion make Liners a fine and dandy thing are fairly easy to implement. Take the Liner restriction off of IDs, and treat them accordingly as transports. Bump all liners (Lux, Royal, Geisha) to over 3800 cargo space, so only corporate IDs can use them, and restrict the big three (maybe even Demo Yacht) to hauling no more than 250 units of non-human cargo.
Xoria has stated that more opportunity for RP cargo is in the works, and even 250 out of >3800 is a small amount, enough to say that it could even haul some units of light arms, engine components, or whatever along with the passengers.
What I would NOT like to see happen is the Liners, which essentially are just specialized transports, become the purview of a select few factions. Does this mean that Kruger could be flying around in a Lux Liner? Yup, but with <250 non-human cargo. That way I can keep my Bowex Cruise Lines passenger service as well.
And isn't it all about the passenger service really?
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - Politus - 04-06-2010
' Wrote:No, Liners are just large, long, underarmed transports. It's like trying to use weapons designed for small transports on big ships...it doesn't work well. Hell, transport weaponry (in general) on a Liner is so useless my Royal Liner has a combination of Wildfire, Eco, and Bluebell chainguns to give the tourists a laser light show (plays nightly!)Why the hell should only Corporations be able to use personnel transports? Aside from the pelican, which sucks, there is nothing for non-Corporate personnel carriers. ZaS~ and groups like it would need SRPs, despite the fact that there's nothing peculiar in their RP. You're only fixing it for CORPORATE Personnel transporters, which still leaves those of us who aren't "corporate pigs" out in the dust.
No specialized cargo pods either please. I scoff whenever I see people hauling any kind of human cargo in anything other than a liner (or yacht), but do realize that SOME types of transports COULD be modified, aka single hold, fully pressurized, etc. But by and large, what honest-to-goodness VIP would pass up the chance to travel in a Luxury or Royal liner for the chance to sit in some jacked-up rigged cargopod strapped to an Advanced Train? None really.
@Blaze, you're forgetting the Royal Liner, the Geisha, the Yacht, the Armored Transport (which in RP is a passenger hauler). These all should have the opportunity to haul too, not just the Luxury liner.
It's not "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater" (although, that reference always makes me chuckle) to want to make something better than it is, but the trick is to do it correctly. Yes, things around here tend to be knee-jerk nerfed to oblivion when an exploit is found, instead of a slight tweak which is what's usually all that's needed.
As I stated before, a few small things changed, that coupled with the current set of regulations, would in my opinion make Liners a fine and dandy thing are fairly easy to implement. Take the Liner restriction off of IDs, and treat them accordingly as transports. Bump all liners (Lux, Royal, Geisha) to over 3800 cargo space, so only corporate IDs can use them, and restrict the big three (maybe even Demo Yacht) to hauling no more than 250 units of non-human cargo.
Xoria has stated that more opportunity for RP cargo is in the works, and even 250 out of >3800 is a small amount, enough to say that it could even haul some units of light arms, engine components, or whatever along with the passengers.
What I would NOT like to see happen is the Liners, which essentially are just specialized transports, become the purview of a select few factions. Does this mean that Kruger could be flying around in a Lux Liner? Yup, but with <250 non-human cargo. That way I can keep my Bowex Cruise Lines passenger service as well.
And isn't it all about the passenger service really?
And the Geisha/Democritus aren't liners, they're yachts. It says in the Wiki, they're yachts. A few people and their servants going out to laugh at the poor. The Pelican is a travesty, and incapable of actually transporting more than a few people as part of a singular roleplay event.
edit: Your entire post ignored EVERYONE outside of your select roleplay niche, the corporate/rich fatcat cruise ship. There are many more opportunities to use Liners than that, and the reason they don't spring up is because of how restricted Liners are. Your post essentially said that yes, Corporations can use it, but everyone else needs SRP, as stated by putting them in the realm of Corporate ID. How is that not the purview of a select few factions?
DUSTY LENS WONT YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK - cmfalconer - 04-07-2010
[quote name='Politus Aquila' date='Apr 6 2010, 02:54 PM' post='966868']
Why the hell should only Corporations be able to use personnel transports? Aside from the pelican, which sucks, there is nothing for non-Corporate personnel carriers. ZaS~ and groups like it would need SRPs, despite the fact that there's nothing peculiar in their RP. You're only fixing it for CORPORATE Personnel transporters, which still leaves those of us who aren't "corporate pigs" out in the dust.[/quote]
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edit: Your entire post ignored EVERYONE outside of your select roleplay niche, the corporate/rich fatcat cruise ship. There are many more opportunities to use Liners than that, and the reason they don't spring up is because of how restricted Liners are. Your post essentially said that yes, Corporations can use it, but everyone else needs SRP, as stated by putting them in the realm of Corporate ID. How is that not the purview of a select few factions?
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Yup. Bingo skippy. Kind of the same reason that non-corporate IDs are limited to 3800 cargo. Why should some joe-blow from the street be flying around in a big ship with a bunghole load of people under their care when they're not licensed through a corporation? ZAS (and other groups) would absolutely need an SRP to be allowed to pilot a giant ship that can haul lots of PEOPLE.
If you think that all Navy, Police, trade, mining, pretty much any lawful faction is a "select few factions", then more power to you.
[quote name='Politus Aquila' date='Apr 6 2010, 02:54 PM' post='966868']
And the Geisha/Democritus aren't liners, they're yachts. It says in the Wiki, they're yachts. A few people and their servants going out to laugh at the poor. The Pelican is a travesty, and incapable of actually transporting more than a few people as part of a singular roleplay event.[/quote]
Yup, you're right about the Demo at least. I'd call the Geisha an in-between, if not for the god-awful "sculpture" in the middle of the thing. The Pelican is a fine startoff point for a passenger hauler. Big enough to haul a fair amount of people, but small enough to not be a HUGE catastrophe if you screw up.
Now, what is needed is medium passenger transports. Preferably small (2500 - 3000 cargo) people movers, likely each House getting their own medium people-mover. This is something that's been missing in Disco for a while in favor of boomboom ships. A failing as i see it.