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Random Bounty! - marauder - 01-31-2006
Firebird,Jan 30 2006, 06:25 PM Wrote:There are Corsair missions at Omicron Delta and that system is unclaimable.
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The Corsairs on Yaren base in Delta don't pay over $13,000 per BH pilot. Tripoli does so I'm gonna still use Gamma to make some money.
Dab,Jan 30 2006, 09:33 PM Wrote:I know that he didn't have to so I tried to get him annoyed enough to just leave. But it didn't work he never left just respawned when I killed him.
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How can someone leave the system when your killing them everytime they launch?
The reason I suggested making Gamma and Alpha Unclaimable is because I really don't see why a non-Pirate Player Faction should be allowed to restrict access to a Pirate system for all Pirate Players.
It's totally unrealistic and there isn't any RP reasons to do so.
Random Bounty! - Wolfpack98 - 01-31-2006
The Damned,Jan 31 2006, 03:44 AM Wrote:It's the only way for him to kill... Oh and we all know about Dabs ego... so definetely he has changed the numbers of his death... there were so many people who witnessed his fall in gamma - i guess there were 5 pirates and they all know how to count, ask them... Oh you can ask the other AW guy who decided to help in his liberty cruser... too bad he died so fast... ask some1 else besides Dab about the matter , 'cause we all know what will Dab say about it.
Next time ill make some pics...
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if this is the only way for Dab to kill, then something will need to be done about it.
Base-raping (killing players when they undock) is, i believe against server rules (don't even start up on "We didn't agree to that" yet, Dab, since we *DID* discuss it during that Unknown invasion) but I could be wrong.
I find base raping to be.. uhm... childish for lack of a better term. i could come up with a nother term, but i'd be cursing out of my head.
So... next time, dab.. kill them three times, let them undock, and escort them out of the system. other than that, why don't you just leave them alone? Killing them 20 times *IS* harrassment for all intents and purposes
Random Bounty! - Korrd - 01-31-2006
Allright. This has gone too far.
Dab, if he is aligned with the corsairs, he is roleplaying corsairs. And you have no right to order him to leave. Because as far as i know he is not aligned with a non NPC faction.
Also, the damned is not member of a faction. He has no tag, hence, he is a freelancer. You cannot (or should not) order a freelancer to leave. Because he is not a member of a faction, hence he cannot be hostile to you. If you consider him hostile, and want him dead, post a bounty in the BH thread.
In fact, if i remember correctly, Igiss decided to use the "sphere of influence" concept instead of the territory one. Because it puts an end to the system conquer and to the faction ordering people to leave.
I think that the only reason you didnt get a ban yet is because damned have no screenies to prove the harassment.
Also, if he is not at war with us, we cannot force him to leave / fight.
So, lets drop this before someone gets a ban. :rtfm:
Random Bounty! - The Damned - 01-31-2006
O.K.
I'm gonna say this so its gonna be very officialy now.
All my chars , exept the trader are considered pirates (for info always check my signature). They are aligned with almoust all pirate NPC factions in Sirius. I am also aligned with the Phantom faction. I'm not from the Phantoms. I'm an indipendent terrorist and pirte , but still I try to play as close to RP as I can , and they are the only bad guys around. So If Dab considers me an enemy thats O.K. with me. But ordering me and many more Pirates to leave a pirate system is a little odd.
For Wolfpack - Dab has never killed me more than 5,6 times. Wich I can't say goes to him , 'cause i've already reached the around the number 20 kills of him.
Anyway the last thing I want is some1 to get a ban. Nobody wants that. If there is something about the ban I should say people to be more carefull!!!
Yesterday I was in a brand new char. Started from the beggining. I was mining some silver in a rhino in colorado, and then I was shipping it to NY. One of my cources I was returning full when a guy with the nick Reinland_Armor_Transport , wich was in an osiris just blowed me up when I passed by him. He explained that he was scanning me, but that was one heck of a scan! And then ran off to do missions (in NY?? While he is in an Osiris)... Wierd things happen. Just try to warn these guys to be more carefull next time (its like they have a painfull itch in the fingers to press "fire").
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Random Bounty! - Dab - 01-31-2006
Wolfpack98,Jan 30 2006, 10:56 PM Wrote:It *IS* harrassment by all legal definitions in the United States (and if i'm not mistaken, you *ARE* a citizen of the United States, Dab) when this goes beyond simple annoyance.
you've been killing him every chance you get when he undocks or whatever. THAT is harrassment.
Either leave the kid alone, or Igiss/I will intervene. Don't tempt me.
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I never base raped him ever. Every time either one of us died I asked him to leave. He said no so I attacked. I gave him a chance to leave everytime one of us died so don't try blaming me for base raping. And I always allowed him to start manuvering after undock sequence befreo I started fighting.
I only attack him if he is in one of AW's systems. I don't go camp outside of some other planet to kill him. When he was in Damned yeesterday I went trading when he was in Delta. I I really wanted to harrass him I would have gone after him in Luciaden who was only a few systems away.
And Virus I know that I don't have complete control over my systes noone does. But I am going to try to keep out people who are hostile.
And Wolf its not really a admin's job to keep people out of systems. It that faction's job to secure their own systems. As long as Damned is hostile to us he is not welcome in Gamma there for I will attack him if I see him in our territory. I personally don't see why this involves anyone else. I attack Phantoms everytime I see them in Gamma and other Omicrons but do you see them complain? No. If you don't want to be attacked by a faction stay out of that factions system, don't go complaining to other people and try to change rules to suit you. You want me to stop attacking you in Gamma then go somewhere else or don't attack AW members.
Other people who come in our systems usually leave when asked and if not they figt it out and (most of the time) lost then stayed out. But no you you run to the forums try to humiliate someone and ty changing rules so you can sit where you want to. Not even -=?=- complained when we attacked them in Omicrons, and we attacked them much more often then I attack you.
Plus Korrd a freelancer can be hostile to a faction. If a freelancer attacks people of a faction they have the right to attack back. Plus Damned is sort of a RP character anyway because of the RP threads about him.
EDIT: Also I only tell pirates that have pirated (RP pirated not NPC pirating/looting) in AW or attacked AW members. I t0ld sparrow to leave only after he shot at me at first he was allowed to stay.
Random Bounty! - Wolfpack98 - 01-31-2006
Okay.
Lesson in how an admin's rights go:
it's My job as well as Igiss' job to make sure the server is a friendly place to play and that everyone follows the rules.
When ANYONE complains about unfair fighting, unfair treatment of players, that's where the admin's job takes precendence over any faction commander.
Don't presume to lecture me about where my job is, Dab. I've been running servers longer than you've played freelancer on Discovery. i"m well aware of my boundaries, and I know where it stops.
As far as base raping is concerned, this is a case of "he said/she said". It's your word against Damned's. As far as I'm concerned.. LEAVE HIM ALONE for the time being.
Freelancers *CAN* be hostile, however you should treat them as NEUTRAL until they open fire on you. End of story. Making Damned an hostile when he's untagged.. you might as well label *ALL* freelancers as hostile. To me, this sounds like a personal vendetta gainst Damned, and that's not something I'm really interested in seeing on the server.
Server Admins have *FULL* control of the entire game. In fact, Igiss and I are the only two who can more or less take full controll of the game and eliminate any problem.. that includes system conquest. Is that a abuse of power? Depends on the situation. I, for one, am getting tired of this arguement.
Either let him leave the system without you opening fire, or just leave him alone. I don't want to start intervening by moving you BOTH out of the system.
Random Bounty! - Wolfpack98 - 01-31-2006
Okay, Dab.. Damned...
You're both right. And you're both wrong.
First off:
1) We agreed to use a sphere of influence model, making all factions equivalent to the In-game NPC factions. AW would be closer to Zoners or Bounty Hunters than anything else. Guess what, Dab? That means you have *NO* right to tell people to get out of a system. At All. you can fire on them, but that's it.
2) The Damned is a pirate. He's closer to Corsairs/Outcasts by that very definition, giving him all rights to be in Gamma, as it's a Corsair system. So, Dab.. again, no right to tell him to get out. You can fire on him, but that's it.
Secondly...
This is the *ONLY* warning i'll give you both. Get out of Gamma and stay out for 24 hours. That goes for both of you. I'm well past sick of this arguement. My patience is running thin for any more of this crap. Do us all a favor.. Get out of Gamma and let it die.
Only systems you havea right to tell people to "get out" is your home system (which I believe to be Omicron Alpha, Dab?). Unless I'm mistaken and we never did adopt the sphere of influence model (I think we did.. since a majority agreed on it).
Lets let this die. Damned, Dab.. stay out of Gamma for 24 hours and let this thing rest for a bit ok?
Random Bounty! - Firebird - 01-31-2006
The Damned,Jan 31 2006, 09:25 AM Wrote:All my chars , exept the trader are considered pirates (for info always check my signature). They are aligned with almoust all pirate NPC factions in Sirius. I am also aligned with the Phantom faction. I'm not from the Phantoms. I'm an indipendent terrorist and pirte , but still I try to play as close to RP as I can , and they are the only bad guys around. So If Dab considers me an enemy thats O.K. with me. But ordering me and many more Pirates to leave a pirate system is a little odd.
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The problem I see with this statement is that the char(s) in question are not just pirates they're terrorists. You're allied with the Phantoms and the AW know of your alliance, Dab in roleplay therefore has every right to ask you to leave a system under AW influence. He's not asking a pirate to leave a pirate system, he's asking a known terrorist to leave. If you were just a pirate you wouldn't have a problem with AW. Roleplaying your char, you should either stay out of AW systems or expect a fight when your in them. (Its like a Phantom char being in Rheinland or Bretonia, expect the SF or RM to give you a fight)
Now the other side, Dab its one thing to attack a player in your system to drive them out but when they say "stop" then that should be it. You can't force Damned to roleplay his chars properly. If he says "leave me alone", that's it, leave him and make a complaint that he's not roleplaying properly.
K, having said all the above. With no evidance we have no clue how much Dab was "harassing" Damned, or if Damned said clearly he wanted to be left alone...but the statements above can be applied in general to any player.
So in my opinion...
Damned should keep his terrorist chars out of AW space unless he wants a fight.
Dab, stop means stop.
ASIDE: Now I should empthasize, if AW is kicking pirates out of pirate systems with no just cause then we do have a problem!!! But I've got no evidance of this occuring and at this point I don't think it has occured.
Random Bounty! - Firebird - 01-31-2006
Wolfpack98,Jan 31 2006, 10:45 AM Wrote:1) We agreed to use a sphere of influence model, making all factions equivalent to the In-game NPC factions. AW would be closer to Zoners or Bounty Hunters than anything else.
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Hmmm, that is a problem isn't it. AW's actions doesn't fit with the zoner rep they've selected. Their current actions are more tied to a Corsair or Outcast defending their system. I think this is something that probably should be discussed in a separate thread. Making one now.
Random Bounty! - marauder - 01-31-2006
Dab,Jan 31 2006, 05:30 PM Wrote:I attack Phantoms everytime I see them in Gamma and other Omicrons but do you see them complain? No. If you don't want to be attacked by a faction stay out of that factions system, don't go complaining to other people and try to change rules to suit you. You want me to stop attacking you in Gamma then go somewhere else or don't attack AW members.
Other people who come in our systems usually leave when asked and if not they figt it out and (most of the time) lost then stayed out. But no you you run to the forums try to humiliate someone and ty changing rules so you can sit where you want to. Not even -=?=- complained when we attacked them in Omicrons, and we attacked them much more often then I attack you.
EDIT: Also I only tell pirates that have pirated (RP pirated not NPC pirating/looting) in AW or attacked AW members. I t0ld sparrow to leave only after he shot at me at first he was allowed to stay.
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I've got a few points here:
1) you attack Phantoms in every system you find them. NOT just the Omicrons and other AW systems.
2) I've never attacked/pirated ANY AW traders. RP wise or at any other time and I've never pirated anyone in AW space.
3) you Dab are still the only AW member to chase/attack me everytime I use my Phantom character.
4) I've fought with vtec once in the Edinburgh system. I asked him to hunt me and he did so, we had a few rounds then we both called it quits and left to go our separate ways.
5) When you tried ordering the group of pirates to leave Gamma other week NO-ONE left until it was time for the Server Event that Firebird had organised. You promptly started claiming that you'd won and that most of us were leaving because of you.
6) it sounds alot like your trying to rule the server. BUT you can't kick people out of your terroritory when your not on and you can't tell them not to go where they like if your not on.
So why all this fuss just because people don't want to be told what to do by you when you are on?
7) this hunt for the Phantoms, started by you Dab, now seems (to me at least) like it has turned into a fully-fledged vendetta against them.
WHY?