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Main discovery balance problem - Blodo - 12-24-2011
Unfortunately the mod release schedule doesn't allow me to prove you wrong just yet, but trust me we'll get there.
Main discovery balance problem - Fat.Igor - 12-24-2011
' Wrote:Unfortunately the mod release schedule doesn't allow me to prove you wrong just yet, but trust me we'll get there.Your avoidance abilities are on par with those of politicians.
I lost trust in you a long time ago, so your statement is hardly valid. I will be more then happy if I am proven wrong in the new release though, for balance sake. And if Im not, I will make sure to save this quote of yours, just to show you that nothing has changed throughout all these years.
Main discovery balance problem - Jack Torrance - 12-24-2011
I don't wanna interrupt your discussion "too much", just wanted to make a quick, rather short statement:
SCREW THE BALLANCE.
There's no such thing in real life, why would be in Discovery?
Life is unfair, you need to adopt, learn, think, try - sometimes mayby even way much harder than others - because... life is unfair. And that's cool. Period.:cool:
Main discovery balance problem - Govedo13 - 12-24-2011
' Wrote:SCREW THE BALLANCE.:lol: Nope not really - go fly the rogue/molly line for a month then switch to hessian line for example
then come up with screw the balance thing......:rolleyes:
Main discovery balance problem - Fat.Igor - 12-24-2011
' Wrote:I don't wanna interrupt your discussion "too much", just wanted to make a quick, rather short statement:If you really think that way, then you wont mind if all Eagles get the speed of a Light Fighter, and you are not allowed to fly one. They will keep killing you, and you wont be able to do anything about it. You will lose every fight and it will be unfair but hey, thats cool, right?
SCREW THE BALLANCE.
There's no such thing in real life, why would be in Discovery?
Life is unfair, you need to adopt, learn, think, try - sometimes mayby even way much harder than others - because... life is unfair. And that's cool. Period.:cool:
Furthermore, you repeated about three or four times that "real life is unfair". You do know that this is a game, right? It shouldnt be unfair to anyone, because everyone is trying to enjoy it. "Real Life" arguments never work, and people usually use them because they cant add anything intelligent to the discussion. And thats kinda, not cool.:cool:
Main discovery balance problem - Jack Torrance - 12-24-2011
' Wrote:If you really think that way, then you wont mind if all Eagles get the speed of a Light Fighter, and you are not allowed to fly one. They will keep killing you, and you wont be able to do anything about it. You will lose every fight and it will be unfair but hey, thats cool, right?
Well, in that case, as in real life, I would create and execute some new strategy of 'dealing with this Eagle problem'. Different than strategy 'facing someone no matter I have 1-5% chance of winning'. Like fight them only with strong support of my group, never duel them, always run when there's 1 on 1 and call for support. Make this Eagle chase me to jump hole, where my mates are already waiting. I'm a Disco noob, and not an fight-expert but I would do something like that. It's cool that hypothetical Eagle is so lethal to me, and it's cool to use proper strategy to make him die foolishly. Such 'lethal enemy advantage' makes this game even more fun, cause you got the challenge and you need rely even more on the rest of the community. And that is - for me - the sense of playing online.
Edit: I can't and I won't agree with your statement that: "You do know that this is a game, right? It shouldnt be unfair to anyone, because everyone is trying to enjoy it."
WRONG. VERY WRONG. We are in virtual 'world' here, created, administered and used by ususal people, not by robots or machines;)So this electronic world will always be as unfair as real world. And that's cool for me, but that's just my opinion. Peace.
P.S. Time to go and enjoy christmas dinner, I'm off.
Main discovery balance problem - Seylah - 12-24-2011
I hate that fights revolve around mines. I will always be terrible at this game so long as mines continue to be the main source of Fighter dogfight damage.
I'm not really qualified to comment on balance as I'm horrible at PvP, but.. I wish fighter dogfights were based on guns/missiles/torpedoes rather than mines. Something needs to be done, because right now it feels as if you have no control over the flow of dogfights.
Main discovery balance problem - Govedo13 - 12-24-2011
' Wrote:I hate that fights revolve around mines. I will always be terrible at this game so long as mines continue to be the main source of Fighter dogfight damage.They are not really that bad- remove the star background from the effects- mines are like red lamps in space after that you just need to dodge them. Actually Missiles are also bad so nobody uses them much.
I would say that 80% of the dmg comes from the guns rest 10 % mines and 10% razors/snacs- in fighter/bomber fights I mean.
Main discovery balance problem - Ursus - 12-24-2011
As long as we are QQ about ships, I would like to rant about Orca vs Tridente
In theory, the Tridente is a gunSHIP that is supposed to be nimble and weak(ish), while the Orca is a gunBOAT that is supposed to be slow and tough.
Turn rate? Yeah the Tridente is more nimble like you expect, Tridente 0.650 vs Orca 0.625
Ship size? Yep the Tridente is a bit smaller (especially from the sides) and has large gaps in the top and bottom of the model, while Orca is a big blob that can be hit from any angle
Well the Orca must be stronger right? Not on hull strength... Tridente 97000 vs Orca 96000
Well come on the Orca is the gunBOAT so it must have more firepower! Tridente 8 guns (6 forward), Orca 7 guns (5 forward), so the Tridente has ~16% higher firepower than the Orca. The Orca does have the "forward gun" cannon that works if the target stays within a 1 square centimeter of the screen long enough for the energy burst to hit the target, so it does not get used in these fights and is only useful against pirate transports and the rare destroyer.
Hrm well the Orca must have more bots then? No they are the same 350/350
So lets see, Tridente can turn faster and stay out of Orca targeting reticle, has holes in the hitbox that let weapon fire pass through, can outpace the Orca on damage even if they are facing each other directly, and Tridente has stronger hull than the Orca to boot.
So you know... there's a matchup where you will lose every fight unless the Tridente makes some kind of basic mistake. Balance please
Main discovery balance problem - Fat.Igor - 12-24-2011
' Wrote:- for me -Yes exactly, for you. As it happens, you arent the only one playing here, so saying "screw the balance" in a thread where everyone tries to come up with ideas on how to make the balance better, or to identify the problem with the current one, adds up to nothing really. Which is why I said that your post is useless and has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
' Wrote:I wish fighter dogfights were based on guns/missiles/torpedoes rather than mines.That is really hard to do here because of the lag. Missiles, CD's and Torpedoes have a very high chance of missing because they get laggy, and that makes them useless more then half of the time.
' Wrote:I would say that 80% of the dmg comes from the guns rest 10 % mines and 10% razors/snacs- in fighter/bomber fights I mean.I could agree with this, although that really depends from person to person. Someone who is good at placing mine-traps will do more damage with mines than with guns.
' Wrote:I would like to rant about Orca vs TridenteYeah the Tridente is OP. Its been a problem for a while, much like the Sabre. It will probably get nerfed in .86 (dont quote me on that, Im simply using logical thinking), since I think even this kind of balance team noticed that particular problem