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Piracy outside a Zoner base - Thargoid - 11-13-2013
I wasn't camping it, but I bumped into a trader and decided to pirate him.
He said it was against the rules and I'd be sanctioned, I don't remember reading anything about this in the rules.
If he's lying them I shall place a bounty upon him.
RE: Piracy outside a Zoner base - Arioch - 11-13-2013
He is both correct and incorrect.
He is correct that there is a no-fire zone around most Freeports/Zoner bases. But, it is a player driven law that has been around for ages, and not a sanctionable rule. He is incorrect that it can get your sanctioned, though it could mean an FR5 (Makes you undockable/red at those bases).
So he is not lying, but was wrong that it is against server rules.
RE: Piracy outside a Zoner base - Kazinsal - 11-13-2013
Zoner NFZs are totally in-RP.
Worst that'll happen is the Zoners pout angrily at you for doing it and ask you nicely to apologize.
RE: Piracy outside a Zoner base - Thargoid - 11-13-2013
OK thanks, bounty will now be placed...
RE: Piracy outside a Zoner base - Lonely Werewolf - 11-13-2013
If he was threatening to sanction you, then he's the one at risk of getting a notification...
Differentiating between server rules and RP rules is one area which I think new players need help with the most however.
RE: Piracy outside a Zoner base - Luke. - 11-13-2013
Yeah...telling you you're going to be sanctioned? Implies he's going to be the one that did it. The irony.
I've pirated a transport outside FP9 before and nothing happened (bandit)
RE: Piracy outside a Zoner base - Sarawr!? - 11-13-2013
Yep yep, pretty much all that's been said so far is correct.
Violating an inRP "No Fire Zone" is exactly that, an inRP violation, your character, inRP, broke a Galactic Law, that's not a big deal.
You did not break a server rule.
RE: Piracy outside a Zoner base - Enkidu - 11-13-2013
(11-13-2013, 03:52 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: Zoner NFZs are totally in-RP.
Worst that'll happen is the Zoners pout angrily at you for doing it and ask you nicely to apologize.
I'm surprised people actually remember the NFZ's exist to be honest; us Zoners are too busy worrying about conserving our hard-to-win-harder-to-maintain universal neutrality to actually say any more than the odd warning phrase... actual gunfire is practically ridiculous, even if the Zoners outnumber you in every direction or actually have guns mounted on their fighters (we don't). If you did it in Tau 37 in front of the entire Commonwealth you'd probably get away with it, considering the engagement figures within that system anyway, so long as you were nice in doing so.
Baffin is a totally different eggshell.
Also... Zoners make for poor pilots.
Edit: Zoners have the rule in-place because they don't want the Freeports becoming friendly resting spots for Pirates of all flags among the lanes, which would ruin Zoner neutrality forever. They're happy for you to dock their if you're not planning on pirating from the station itself.
Baffin is a totally different eggshell.
Also... Zoners make for poor pilots.
Edit: Zoners have the rule in-place because they don't want the Freeports becoming friendly resting spots for Pirates of all flags among the lanes, which would ruin Zoner neutrality forever. They're happy for you to dock their if you're not planning on pirating from the station itself.
RE: Piracy outside a Zoner base - AeternusDoleo - 11-14-2013
... unless you were pirating a Zoner right in front of inactive base defenses of course. If you're going to be hostile to the Zoners, be hostile to the Zoners. Sitting outside a base, hitting the faction that base belongs to -is- a violation... most likely sanction would be that the admins apply the FR5 without the Zoners requesting it (because shooting a Zoner in front of a Zoner base... is kinda a no brainer that the Zoners wouldn't like that. 'Xept maybe the Discordians. They're weird. And the ZA. If they still exist. They're weird too. In an aggressive way. But I digress. Much like a Discordian. Anyone got an apple?)
But yea, pirating in front of the freeports... it could have nasty consequences if it becomes commonplace. Such as the house government responsible for securing that lane saying "enough's enough. Dispatching gunboats to make sure pirates don't come there anymore." And that would mean smuggling to and from that Freeport would be a lot harder. Unlawfuls have a vested interest in keeping the peace around the freeports - that's how those ports remain "free".
RE: Piracy outside a Zoner base - SMGSterlin - 11-14-2013
(11-14-2013, 01:07 AM)AeternusDoleo Wrote: ... unless you were pirating a Zoner right in front of inactive base defenses of course. If you're going to be hostile to the Zoners, be hostile to the Zoners. Sitting outside a base, hitting the faction that base belongs to -is- a violation... most likely sanction would be that the admins apply the FR5 without the Zoners requesting it (because shooting a Zoner in front of a Zoner base... is kinda a no brainer that the Zoners wouldn't like that. 'Xept maybe the Discordians. They're weird. And the ZA. If they still exist. They're weird too. In an aggressive way. But I digress. Much like a Discordian. Anyone got an apple?)I enjoyed reading this post, mostly the last half of it.