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Wacky Idea (warning: opinions contained within) - Kazinsal - 12-02-2013
Disclaimer: The following is personal opinion and braindump and not representative of the views of the Discovery Mod Development Team.
So, capital ships. They go boom, and are big, and are expensive, am I right? And sometimes they're fielded sparingly by factions that can't afford to just keep cranking more and more replacement hulls out (an example being the BAF, whose fleet is in the middle of being owned by Gallia).
Some of you have played EVE. Others haven't. Now, before those who have (and likely those who haven't) jump down my throat for even mentioning EVE in a thread titled "Wacky Idea", please, keep reading. It's not that bad. For those who haven't played EVE, when your ship goes kaboom in the game (whether it be from PvE or PvP), that's it. That ship is gone. Done. The character survives, but the ship is no more. That's the total opposite end of the extreme for Discovery, where you can just hit respawn and go somewhere else.
Now, imagine for a second, that we had a balance between the two. One common suggestion is the implementation of a "death penalty" where a fraction of a ship's wealth is fined on death. In my opinion, that's a bit much. It could (and likely would) end up driving people away from Discovery. So I have a better idea.
In-RP, it takes time to build a ship. It takes a lot more time to build a battleship than it does a fighter. Fighters are practically churned out on a production line. Patching up a fighter that's been critically damaged could be as easy as throwing some new internal parts in and welding new armour in or as easy (yes, I said that twice) as transferring the equipment over to a replacement ship (let's just pretend ships come with insurance in the Discovery universe) and registering the replacement's serial number with the pilot's license.
Bigger ships, however, are a totally different deal. A freighter may only take a bit longer than a fighter to repair after being critically damaged (in case you haven't noticed, I dislike the term "destroyed" when we have a crazy respawn mechanic to account for). A transport or gunship's gonna take a lot more time -- there are more complex systems to build up and a lot more surface area. Cruisers and battleships are going to take insane amounts of time to repair after massive hull ruptures and reactor damage, and can't just be replaced like a fighter or bomber can. Factions like the Colonial Republic (sorry to pick on you guys -- I'd use VR as an example but then someone will scream bias or conspiracy or something) can't afford to shoot a new Thanatos out every time one gets blown up.
So here's my proposal: The larger a ship is, the harder it falls. The server already has mechanics for automatically-expiring tempbans. Fighters, on death, don't get tempbanned -- they just follow regular PvP death rules and and can go somewhere else. However, as ships grow in size through gunship and transport and cruiser and battlecruiser and battleship stages, they take a larger timeout on death. Let's say a battleship, once blown up, can't be used for 24 hours. Ballpark number. A cruiser might be usable again in 12. A transport, 12 for larger ones, 6 for smaller ones. A gunship, let's say 6.
This could be a really neat mechanic to implement. It would only contribute to roleplay. I know several factions already do this kind of things themselves -- something that inspired this wacky idea of mine.
I mean, really. If you blow up, say, a Hegemon, and then go over a few systems, and see it again, does that really help your immersion?
I didn't think so.
RE: Wacky Idea (warning: opinions contained within) - sindroms - 12-02-2013
So basically a WoTesque CW locker.
Not bad, I like it, but if I was to make a trollsquad to capitalize off this, I would remake the Torpedoes and constantly keep caps docked out of fear of losing them.
Also, what if you lose all of your guns during a fight? There is a reason why we still have sun damage, allowing players to planetdive.
EDIT: To further dump my thoughts on this, I can already tell you that this idea is abusable as hell. I can make a whole bunch of bombers, get a few folks and just troll cap owners, because one death would mean 14 hours without any usage from their ship. And if I happen to die in a bomber, np. The cooldown on that thing isn't as much.
RE: Wacky Idea (warning: opinions contained within) - APDAF - 12-02-2013
What if your ship was killed in an accident, like getting lane killed or dying on a planet when you are undocking?
RE: Wacky Idea (warning: opinions contained within) - Hidamari - 12-02-2013
automated services are simply the absolute bain of this servers existance.
absolutely no way.
RE: Wacky Idea (warning: opinions contained within) - Kazinsal - 12-02-2013
(12-02-2013, 11:35 PM)Hidamari Wrote: automated services are simply the absolute bain of this servers existance.
absolutely no way.
The anticheat is an automated service. Have you been insta'd by near-infinite-range high-refire SNACs lately?
RE: Wacky Idea (warning: opinions contained within) - Trogdor - 12-02-2013
Nope nope nope nope.
1) Some people can't fly snubs because of lag or lack of skill. You are effectively banning those players for the length of the timeout.
2) All this does is drive people away from the game. What positive purpose does this serve?
3) Are you now going to rebalance caps (specifically BS) so that they're actually as powerful as they should be?
RE: Wacky Idea (warning: opinions contained within) - EisenSeele - 12-02-2013
If something like this were to be implemented, then snubs will need a corresponding nerf against everything that isn't another snub.
EDIT: What Trogdor said. Basically, you're going to see a lot more cap pilots get very much more butthurt over getting killed, and little other effect - since players that are killed by another player can't interact with the killer anyway.
RE: Wacky Idea (warning: opinions contained within) - Hidamari - 12-02-2013
considering the anti-cheat has always been there, and all the jury-rigged auto services that keep being added to the server that piss everyone off, havent.
all you need to know is anything you add that is an automated service will be nothing more than a cockblock, because it seems devs are incapable of adding any auto service which isnt designed to stop something from happening.
why dont you make something cool like the /pimpship. theres an example of an automated/semi-automated service that actually enhanced the game play
RE: Wacky Idea (warning: opinions contained within) - Lonely_Ghost - 12-02-2013
I agree with Spazz, because, there will be enough gank team, and whole idea will be biased completely.
Kazinsal, it's not, that your idea is bad, sux or something. It has point, no doubt in that, but as we all know. Many ideas, which were ok from the beginning, turned to be making some painfull strikes into gaming in future.
RE: Wacky Idea (warning: opinions contained within) - SnakThree - 12-02-2013
Only if Caps became real caps. Hardly taken out by even 5 bombers.