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Corsairs and slavery - ... kur nubėgo? - 01-25-2014
So I would like to discuss this matter.
Now I imagine corsairs, altough even suffering from demographic problems. Thus having more people than Crete can sustain, wouldn't endorse their own kin slavery. Since it is a xenophobic, schovinistic culture.
With 4 87 update commodity which was named "human organs" disappeared from the game. It was rather sad, because there was already some rp going around it and this commodity was slowly being assimiliated to corsair roleplay. Getting alive humans. Slauthering them, selling their organs for profits in return.
Now there are two ways. Collecting escape pods of killed ship or more profiting: importing human cargo. Now most likely that cargo would be slaves.
So what are your ideas about corsairs trafficing slaves of the nations they to see being inferior to their own? Racial prejudice is not the cause, make more profits and become more powerful is the goal, but I guess it does add up to general picture and would make sense.
Question. Why not incorporate that into corsair roleplay. And why human organs commodity was removed from the game?
RE: Corsairs and slavery - Mímir - 01-25-2014
I think there is a 4.87 news item regarding the abolishment of slavery on various Corsair stations.
Human Organs still exists, the trade moved to Gallic Brigands instead.
RE: Corsairs and slavery - Pancakes - 01-25-2014
Slave Burger by Marco Donaldo right away.
Also the fact that they can just work the slaves to death, since they have no caring for them.
RE: Corsairs and slavery - Eugen - 01-25-2014
jo human organs maine ecommoy base.
And dont forget that hogosha (and other free traders could it to if the corsairs allow it)still brings rice .
RE: Corsairs and slavery - Zen_Mechanics - 01-25-2014
Its considered contraband in the corsair room, this didnt stop atka from providing it though.
RE: Corsairs and slavery - ... kur nubėgo? - 01-25-2014
Yeah. I'm not talking about importing slaves to work for sairs, because this wouldn't make any sense. Corsairs don't have enough resources to sustain them. But why not trafficing them?
Now it's weird, slaves are contraband in corsair territory, why? I mean, I've heard this "sairs hate slavery" notion being trown around, but that's just nonsense. Give me reasons why they should hate slaver and I will agree with you. "they are noble and honorable" is just more sair lore being pulled out of an arse.
And I could provide plenty of reasons, pragmatic and even ideological, political and social why sairs would actually get involved with slavery.
(sry need to go, so won't present them now in a long post, but will after I get back)
RE: Corsairs and slavery - Zen_Mechanics - 01-25-2014
I dont think it has to do with profit, because each station already have corsairs in it to get the job done. I assume though, that some corsairs wouldn't mind having slaves, but despite that, its generaly considered immoral, even for corsairs - hence the decision. However, this does not mean that human organs themselves are contraband, given you got them through "legal" means. Crete has hospitals and its unreasonable to think we dont need organs.
I dont believe there was a "because" reason, sairs aren't hessians who can use slaves to mine for them.
RE: Corsairs and slavery - chase.way - 01-25-2014
Human organs are still there as commodity, in lore we are main exporters of it, patching our people up and selling it to others. I have no idea what trade route there is thou.
Slaves means waste of resources on them, we got plenty of our own people to do a job.
RE: Corsairs and slavery - Rodnas - 01-25-2014
It is a good question and i will try to give multiple answers to "why corsairs and slavery don't mix"
1. the oorp one: Slavery is closely connected to the Outcasts - ad at least back in the day the sairs were the anti-mirror to them
2. the practical one: if you are not using slaves for yourselves, who are you going to sell them to?
Factions i remember engaged in slavery/using slaves/slave trading are the outcasts( => the sairs don't want to support their economy for sure!!!),
the rouges (=> aka, the lickspittle pushers of the outcasts, we don't want them to have better relations, those suckers better buy artifacts),
the lane hackers (=> cardi junkies and outcast fanboys as well,
the Mollys ( why freedom dudes do it /did it is out of my mental scope, but sairs don't support their war enemies)
the hessians (see above)
the Zoners( as i know of no zoner faction that uses slaves they obviously sell them to one of our enemies)
the Junkers( same as zoners)
===> if you trade in slaves, you directly support our friggin enemies!
3. the foodsie one: Slaves need to eat, drink, breathe.
The sairs play is that while no one needs to starve there is no surplus in supplies either - and corsair population is limited by supply. Why would a gringo hating corsair (who could do more honorful duties than slaving) feed slaves if he could feed poor corsair workers, too( see below!)
4.the "moral" one: Slavery is an outcast trademark, the corsairs hate them with a passion, as such i suspect that corsair society hates on "typical " outcast behaviour, marking it as "honorless", cowardly, wrong, whatever.
My personal take always was this: a corsair has a firm "stick of honor" up his rear, which makes him believe he is morally superior to the non-corsair lowlife(aka everyone else) - this is why the sairs mix better with kusarian factions that have more traditions and codes of honor than other factions....
In any case: My Corsair char captures let's say a hessian and has to decide what to do with him - he has no valuable info being a low grunt...he could sell him to slavery and earn some cash - but for him that would lower his honor as he would do activities frowned upon by society(as explained above) - in all his generosity, he let's his prisoner keep his honor (and preserves his own as well) by executing the poor chap, in the firm believe he is "helping" him and being "merciful".
5. Support local labour: in a society that revels around strenght and warfare, there are losers ad probably a lot of them - i believe that the corsairs have quite a lot of war veterans and poor folks that are not/ no longer able to keep their good standing with the rest of the society, i don't believe there is a good healthcare or social security system in place for a society that just a decade ago had starvation problems and would rather prefer to kill off the weak and unproductive instead of "wasting " resources on them. Imagine a horde of starved cripples on the streets of Europa - now imagine a rich sair landlord who owns a goldmine offers them a cup of rice and a bottle of water a day....if they work his mine....you know where i am going?
I am sure the corsair society preys on the weak and exploits them to literal death, with no or only very little repercussion, thus creating "de facto slaves" who are none on the paper - and don't shorten the honor of the owner, but instead making him a benevolent giver for those poor souls that were threatened by death
6. The PR-stunt one: slavery is frowned upon by about everyone save slave users.Corsairs are frowned upon by everyone. The rp (at least the benitez one)
was to set captured slaves free on freeports to hopefully spread the word about vile outcasts and honorable corsair saviours, thus maybe maybe maybe giving us an advantage of being a bit more "civilized " than others and opening up some more opportunities.
===> short version: Slaves support our enemies, we have better things to do, say no to slavery!
RE: Corsairs and slavery - roadrunner - 01-25-2014
the answer is in the news on corsair stations.