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Modification suggestion for rule 3.1 - Ponge - 04-02-2014
Greetings.
I often see that general pirate ID-d players take on different semi-lawful IFFs, like Junker or Zoner, to hide behind them, thus make their piracy easier. I do not have a problem with this, BUT they also often attack Zoner/Junker players. If you have a faction IFF, doesn't that mean you are somehow conencted to them, or fly under their colors? Isn't it ooRP to pirate a Zoner if you have zoner IFF yourself?
I think this should be added to the attack rule: A player cannot attack the players of the faction (determined by ID) who's IFF he himself has.
So, if the pirate has a Zoner IFF to hide behind, he should not be allowed attack any Zoner ID players (and the same with any IFF).
Opinion?
RE: Modification suggestion for rule 3.1 - SnakThree - 04-02-2014
Zoner IFF with Pirate ID is considered an abuse and is sanctionable offence. There were at least two sanctions related to this.
RE: Modification suggestion for rule 3.1 - Ponge - 04-02-2014
I see; still, what about other combinations? Pirate ID-d Junker IFF-d player pirating Junkers? And FR5 is not a good solution, as the pirate robs dozens more till the FR5 goes through.
I thought IFF means you sympathize with / belong to said faction. This way, the IFF has no real meaning, don't you think? What other purposes the IFF has?
RE: Modification suggestion for rule 3.1 - The_Normal_Anomaly - 04-02-2014
IFF has the purpose of letting allies and enemies identify each other. For the military factions, its like a digital uniform. I don't see it as a sympathy for a certain faction or anything like that. If I like Zoners is totally based on my character's RP. That IFF is just a frequency setting in the ship somewhere that says "Hey look at me, I am wearing a Zoner suit."
I would imagine that illegal uses of IFF are something to be expected. I mean, the Lane Hackers kinda have this sort of thing in their MO. The ID is what really says "I am a Zoner for real."
RE: Modification suggestion for rule 3.1 - SnakThree - 04-02-2014
(04-02-2014, 07:17 PM)The_Normal_Anomaly Wrote: I would imagine that illegal uses of IFF are something to be expected. I mean, the Lane Hackers kinda have this sort of thing in their MO.I am curious what you meant with that.
RE: Modification suggestion for rule 3.1 - Binski - 04-02-2014
(04-02-2014, 03:38 PM)Snak3 Wrote: Zoner IFF with Pirate ID is considered an abuse and is sanctionable offence. There were at least two sanctions related to this.
Not that I don't believe you but are there any links? Cuz see to me, if you can get the IFF/ID combo (i.e. game allows it) it should not be sanctionable. Its not exactly the same as a LR with a Navy IFF, something that is prevented by the game parameters outright.
But in reply to the general point, if people with Freelancer IFF's (using say pirate or junker ID), your options for conducting your piracy would become very limited. I say leave this be an Inrp problem. example, if you see a Pirate with Zoner IFF attack you, report it to Zoner factions, so the Zoners could then put them on an arrest/bounty list to be dealt with. IMO this is simply in the same league as getting into a firefight around a Freeport.
And especially in the case of FL IFF's, since its the most widely used IFF in Sirius, I think it would be far too limiting. Honor among thieves is an inrp option, something a player can choose to adhere to...or ignore. Your community reputation is something you build via your actions, so its something you have to consider when acting as a pirate.
Just like if it were a Junkers IFF on a pirate ID's ship, and they choose to attack a Junker, report them, make an inrp message over it. This is all perfect opportunity for such things. Official factions have the right to force that ship to change its rep upon proof of activity they may not approve of.
Quote:Faction Right 5. Official player factions may request that the reputation of a player's ship be changed to hostile with respect to their NPC faction. These requests must be posted within the Player Requests subforum, and include link(s) to valid forum roleplay, as well as actual interaction between the character and the official faction. In case of IDs with multiple official factions, this right can only be used if it has support of every official faction of the ID, but in case of disagreement between the factions involved, they can post an appeal to the administrators to review the situation and come to a decision.
RE: Modification suggestion for rule 3.1 - Sabru - 04-02-2014
(04-02-2014, 03:38 PM)Snak3 Wrote: Zoner IFF with Pirate ID is considered an abuse and is sanctionable offence. There were at least two sanctions related to this.
just having a zoner IFF with pirate ID isnt against the rules. as for the case(s) you are referring to, i believe the sanctions were because of what the player did, not because he had a zoner iff and pirate ID.
RE: Modification suggestion for rule 3.1 - Thyrzul - 04-02-2014
(04-02-2014, 08:02 PM)TheUnforgiven Wrote: Cuz see to me, if you can get the IFF/ID combo (i.e. game allows it) it should not be sanctionable.
I'll try to remember this when Admins catch me for exploiting a bug for my own gain.
RE: Modification suggestion for rule 3.1 - The_Normal_Anomaly - 04-04-2014
(04-02-2014, 07:48 PM)Snak3 Wrote: I am curious what you meant with that.
If the IFF is a transponder setting, then the Lane Hackers are probably able to mimic the IFFs of other factions. They hack the Order and LSF databases, I think they could probably get a Universal Shipping "Don't shoot me" tag put on a ship of theirs if they wanted to.
First principles of space. Space is dangerous. Trust others at your own risk, especially if you have no idea who they are.
RE: Modification suggestion for rule 3.1 - SnakThree - 04-04-2014
(04-04-2014, 12:35 PM)The_Normal_Anomaly Wrote:Hackers hacked Universal Ship Identification system and they know who, where and what cargo is hauled. They also are able to hack Jump Gate codes which they sell to unlawfuls.(04-02-2014, 07:48 PM)Snak3 Wrote: I am curious what you meant with that.
If the IFF is a transponder setting, then the Lane Hackers are probably able to mimic the IFFs of other factions. They hack the Order and LSF databases, I think they could probably get a Universal Shipping "Don't shoot me" tag put on a ship of theirs if they wanted to.
First principles of space. Space is dangerous. Trust others at your own risk, especially if you have no idea who they are.
There is no mention of hacking IFF in lore.