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Question on ZOIs - InfinityCircuit - 12-27-2014
So if a DHC vessel, mining in Omega 11, is approached by an IMG vessel, outside it's zone of influence, what can that IMG vessel really do? I mean, if the DHC is unarmed and the IMG kills him, that is ooRP if I'm reading the ID correctly. IMG can only pirate in Omega 7 and 3, according to the ID, since that's their zone of influence. And they can make no demands of cargo outside of slaves and cardamine. So, say, taking uncut diamonds from an unarmed miner in omega 11 is ooRP, correct?
I just need these answers before I request a sanction. Been getting killed several times by the same player, with the same canned "oppression by DHC" speech, which isn't RP, just cut and paste. Anyway, I have a RM gunboat for that guy, but the principle is what counts.
RE: Question on ZOIs - TheSauron - 12-27-2014
As far as my knowledge on IMG ID goes, they can pirate in every Omega system.
RE: Question on ZOIs - Aereon - 12-27-2014
IMG can Pirate DHC in Omegas for Cargo its in the ID
RE: Question on ZOIs - Danny-boy - 12-27-2014
As far as the ID is concerned it is ok for IMG ID'd ships to pirate Daumann ships in O11 because IMG:
"Can engage in piracy against Kruger, Daumnann, GMS and BMM within the taus and omegas only."
This includes all Omega/Tau systems, if this was not the case the wording would be something like the following:
'Can engage in piracy against Kruger, Daumnann, GMS and BMM within their zone of influence.'
As can be seen from the line that relates to slaves and cardamine which states that:
"Can demand slaves and cardamine from any ship within their zone of influence [...]"
The fact that 'within the taus and omegas' only is used rather than 'within their zone of influence', which is used in the line that relates to cardamine/slaves, within the ID suggests that someone with an IMG ID'd ship may pirate 'Kruger, Daumann, GMS and BMM' in any Tau or Omega system if they so wish.
RE: Question on ZOIs - Doria - 12-27-2014
"Can engage in piracy against Kruger, Daumann, BMM and GMS in the Taus and Omegas only."
From IMG ID.
RE: Question on ZOIs - InfinityCircuit - 12-27-2014
(12-27-2014, 04:18 PM)david.starr Wrote: "Can engage in piracy against Kruger, Daumann, BMM and GMS in the Taus and Omegas only."
From IMG ID.
Yes, but the ZOI only gives Omega 3 and 9.
"Zone of Influence: Taus, Omega-3, Omega-7, Dublin, Cambridge, Newcastle, Magellan, Coronado"
So what about that conflict? Or can piracy activities go outside ZOI? Because if that's the case then my CR gunboat can go to omegas and pirate against authorized targets. Mind, I'm not bitching, I just read this as a conflict in the wording, and have excluded such conflicts from my RP in the past to avoid any issues. If this is the case then I'm going to be much more free in my movements and activities.
RE: Question on ZOIs - Danny-boy - 12-27-2014
(12-27-2014, 05:09 PM)InfinityCircuit Wrote:(12-27-2014, 04:18 PM)david.starr Wrote: "Can engage in piracy against Kruger, Daumann, BMM and GMS in the Taus and Omegas only."
From IMG ID.
Yes, but the ZOI only gives Omega 3 and 9.
"Zone of Influence: Taus, Omega-3, Omega-7, Dublin, Cambridge, Newcastle, Magellan, Coronado"
So what about that conflict? Or can piracy activities go outside ZOI? Because if that's the case then my CR gunboat can go to omegas and pirate against authorized targets. Mind, I'm not *****, I just read this as a conflict in the wording, and have excluded such conflicts from my RP in the past to avoid any issues. If this is the case then I'm going to be much more free in my movements and activities.
If in the ID it states something along the lines of "May pirate in the Omegas" even if it is not listed as a part of the ZOI you would be free to do so. if one of the lines about engagements says something like 'May do x anywhere' or 'Can do y in the Taus' then you may do that despite what the ZOI says, this is because the line in the ID that allows you to do 'x' or 'y' does not make reference to your ZOI.
If on the other hand the ID says 'may do Z in ZOI' then you must use your ZOI to find out where you can carry out action Z.
RE: Question on ZOIs - Doria - 12-27-2014
Well, the answer to what you really want to know is: no, you can't sanction the guy for pirating you in omega 11.
RE: Question on ZOIs - Jack_Henderson - 12-27-2014
@OP: Do a /restart fcIMG and look at the ID.
O11 is not a protection against pirating IMG IDs, as the ID states clearly.
As only tagged HH do that (at least to my best knowledge), it should be easy enough to deal with it.
RE: Question on ZOIs - Tabris - 12-27-2014
They can pirate all they want in the designated areas, however they would have to be aware that there would be RP consequences involved considering Daumann has sway over the Bundestag.