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How much should the Community be able to say about managing its playerbase - sindroms - 02-06-2015
Or as the alternative title would suggest, should the community be able to vote for banning/unbanning individuals.
So, Jax's thread about the unforgivable sins, a topic I was specifically told not to post in, got me thinking about a few things. Especially the comments coming from it.
When we are talking about the community as a whole, we mostly think of them as the players of Disco. In reality, however, the visible part of the community happen to be the people, who are active on the forums. These are the people, who contribute and reflect the current situation in Disco the most and which is why Polls are inherently flawed, because they do not really reflect the view of the ''community'' itself, but rather the thirty-something people who happen to chill on the forums all day.
The reason for the text above is to serve as a bit of reminder of how things are right now before we address the topic itself. That the ''community'' is not the whole playerbase of Disco, but rather the people we constantly see on the forum.
Now onto the topic.
Discovery is a very tight community. It is very easy to become well known (for whatever reason) within Disco, which is very appealing to a certain type of individual. This is just another charm to the game, which is not present in larger communities such as EvE online. Here any individual can be known for something. I mean, if I just say the "Zoner Guy", I am sure you will get at least a few people pop up in your head. It is THAT small, the community that is.
And because it is that small, that an individual cannot simply mold into the mass and voice his opinion with anonymity-via-quantity that could make a more self-conscious Disco possible.
The overall saying the ''community'' has within the progress of Disco is pretty high now, what with feedback and suggestions actually behing taken into account, unlike back in 84 times. So the obvious question here is if the community is ready to have a say in the people that should be a part of it.
Obviously, even if the answer is no- it is very easy to make a community member feel unwanted and unliked enough for them either to quit the server entirely or to submerge themselves under an alt and start over. But can, or rather, should the community have an open or semi-open say in the so called ''vote'' the admin and moderation do every once and a while.
As it is right now, many problematic players can simply ''keep their head down'' in a manner that they are not put up on the chopping block, while still remaining toxic to the server. So the question is- should the community just tell the moderation section to "Wow, hold on. We don't want X here.".
This is not a proposition. This is a what-if discussion. Keep it semi-civil.
PS.
Yeah yeah, "If that was the case, you wouldn't be around, Spaz.". I know. If there was a community vote on it, I wouldn't really be able to argue the results. One thing is getting removed due to a report by an individual. A completely different one would be if the whole community tells you to frak off.
RE: How much should the Community be able to say about managing its playerbase - Mímir - 02-06-2015
This idea is probably the worst one you've posted so far.
RE: How much should the Community be able to say about managing its playerbase - sindroms - 02-06-2015
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Seriously though, why?
RE: How much should the Community be able to say about managing its playerbase - Pavel - 02-06-2015
Nah Spazzy, community should not be able to do that.
RE: How much should the Community be able to say about managing its playerbase - Mímir - 02-06-2015
Because in an atmosphere like that, forum appearances matter more. Each forum member will benefit from a certain adopted attitude that might not be felt or even displayed on the server itself. There'll be an incentive to just go with the flow, rather than think for yourself and sometimes go against popular opinion. If things were considered toxic before, imagine how it will be when folks are pinned to the stake and people bring their torches and pitchforks, demanding bans based on hear-say and opinions based on the forum rather than concrete experiences. Sanctionlancing would be even more effective to tarnish some dude's reputation - it will bring the individual closer to a forum-decided ban.
Imagine the butt-kissing we'd have to witness when people want to get unbanned, touring the community in a contest for popularity. It would all be about appearances. And language.
It's a very bad idea.
RE: How much should the Community be able to say about managing its playerbase - Connor - 02-06-2015
I think Mímir summed it up pretty well there
RE: How much should the Community be able to say about managing its playerbase - SnakeLancerHaven - 02-06-2015
YES, DEMOCRACY!!!!!
Srsly though so many no's. So this community is totally against Democracy 8|
But I understand Mimirs point of view, sure but i thought about a voting and trial which Admins would watch closely if it realy seems reasonable to bann a guy. Admins would be watching the votes very carefully
RE: How much should the Community be able to say about managing its playerbase - Laura C. - 02-06-2015
(02-06-2015, 10:45 AM)Snake Wrote: YES, DEMOCRACY!!!!!This community is not mature enough for real democracy. Heck, even real life mature population sometimes doesn´t seem to be mature and clever enough for real democracy.
Srsly though so many no's. So this community is totally against Democracy 8|
But I understand Mimirs point of view, sure but i thought about a voting and trial which Admins would watch closely if it realy seems reasonable to bann a guy. Admins would be watching the votes very carefully
Despite we are small community, we are still big enough to not know everyone. And then voting by hear-say will take place. "Hey, friend of mine heard from his friend this guy cheat on fights, ban him!
And if the admins would be the final authority which will decide if ban is deserved or not, then you are simply back in current system where you are reporting people who misbehave and if there is too much, admins will pull out banhammer.
RE: How much should the Community be able to say about managing its playerbase - Doria - 02-06-2015
Democracy is the worst thing ever. The dumb mass overthrows the out-of-the-box thinkers. Ill motivated individuals thrive in it. Meritocracy would be much better, but meh...
RE: How much should the Community be able to say about managing its playerbase - Fluffyball - 02-06-2015
No. Why? Some players might just not like one player outside the game, then force him to be banished. This is also against server/forum rules and falls under "trial-by-forum" category.